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Old 07-14-2019, 10:09 AM   #21
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follow up question...

when i asked my manager if it would be seen on Tracking B he said that it would appear on racking boards but that Tracking B was something for writers and not an industry tracking board. he said if you want me to get it on Tracking B he said he could, but the industry doesn't use it they have internal tracking boards. i said, nah, if it doesn't matter then don't bother.

can someone confirm or correct this?
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Old 07-14-2019, 10:33 AM   #22
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follow up question...

when i asked my manager if it would be seen on Tracking B he said that it would appear on racking boards but that Tracking B was something for writers and not an industry tracking board. he said if you want me to get it on Tracking B he said he could, but the industry doesn't use it they have internal tracking boards. i said, nah, if it doesn't matter then don't bother.

can someone confirm or correct this?
There's Trackingb and Tracking-Board. Specs that go out might get a listing on either or both. The first one I went out with also got a Heat Meter write up that my manager churned out to drum up interest. People still look at those, I guess, but they're not as trafficked as they were five years ago.

And there are internal boards as well. I've never been on them, but I know about them through friends. GGXXX will have better insight on those, I'm sure.
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Old 07-14-2019, 03:31 PM   #23
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  • what would you like them to do that they do not do?

More meetings. That's it. More OWA opportunities.
  • how often do you communicate with your manager?

We talk twice a week if I'm on a stepped writing assignment. Once a week if not. He'll call me more if something is up.
  • how do they guide your career?

He doesn't because I don't want him to. I want jobs and meetings, period.
  • what is a fair turnaround time to read your screenplay (any draft)?

A week, but honestly I don't think he ever reads them. I think he skims them and has somebody else read them.
  • how do they communicate their notes on a draft?

I don't want notes from him. I don't want him telling me what I can or can't write. I can make that judgement myself. I just want him to send them out when I'm done.
  • do they have a strategic plan to develop your career in the first year, 5 years and beyond?

Nope. Thank God.
  • what are your biggest disappointments with having a manager?

The ones I've fired because they told me what scripts I could or couldn't write. I also am not a fan of them attaching as producer. I have a deal with my manager about that. If he wants to produce, he options, pays me (without percentage), and gets financing. It's worked once so far. Otherwise, he doesn't attach.
  • what were you not expecting (good or bad) that impacted your writing?

Good? He leaves me alone to write, then makes money after.
  • what would you have liked to ask before you signed that you didn't ask?
  • what were your initial expectations of having a manager? which ones were realistic and which were not?

Now I know to ask, "Are you going to tell what I can or can't write?" and if they say, "Yes.", I move on. My expectations were meetings, getting work in front of people, and job opportunities. This one is doing that.
  • what are the best aspects of your manager relationship? what are their greatest strengths and their greatest weaknesses?

He knows I don't work FOR him. It's a relationship. I don't answer to him or him to me. We work together.
  • what would you tell a writer who doesn't have a manager, what they should know and understand before going in?

You don't work FOR your reps. YOU sign contracts. YOU do the work. They're there to facilitate that and get you meetings and job opportunities. You work WITH them.
  • do they send you an active list of open writing assignments? or is this strictly an agent's responsibilities?

I get opportunities at OWAs from him.
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Old 07-14-2019, 04:11 PM   #24
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What would you like them to do that they do not do?

Get me more meetings. And not just generals, but put me up for more actual OWAs.

how often do you communicate with your manager?

Totally depends on what's going on. Anywhere from several times a week to once every other week or so.

how do they guide your career?

A multitude of ways. They give their thoughts on ideas, notes on drafts, get my writing in front of the people it needs to get in front of.

what is a fair turnaround time to read your screenplay (any draft)?

Generally happens within a week.

how do they communicate their notes on a draft?

Almost always a phone call.

do they have a strategic plan to develop your career in the first year, 5 years and beyond?

Not that I know of. They'll come up with thoughts and ideas of things I should be/could be doing, but I don't think it's that structured.

what are your biggest disappointments with having a manager?

Harkening back to the first question, I'd like to be up for more jobs. Especially at this point in my career.

what were you not expecting (good or bad) that impacted your writing?

How quick they would be to say "I don't think you should write that." It took me an adjustment period to learn how to best navigate that.

what would you have liked to ask before you signed that you didn't ask?

I'm honestly not sure...

what were your initial expectations of having a manager? which ones were realistic and which were not?

Other people have mentioned this, but my previous manager did an amazing job of keeping me in the loop on submissions. He'd often BCC me on emails with execs, etc. My current managers don't do this. They'll tell me if I ask. But I do miss knowing exactly what was going on with my script, in real time.

what are the best aspects of your manager relationship? what are their greatest strengths and their greatest weaknesses?

They generally give strong notes in the development process. They've definitely helped to make scripts better. They're also just generally good people, which is one of the most important things I could think of. I've had friends with horror stories about managers who turned out to be raging *******s.

what would you tell a writer who doesn't have a manager, what they should know and understand before going in?

Find someone who is truly passionate about your writing and excited to work with you. Someone who is going to hustle for you like they're hustling for themselves.

do they send you an active list of open writing assignments? or is this strictly an agent's responsibilities?

I've never gotten a list. They'll just set the meeting.

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Old 07-15-2019, 12:59 AM   #25
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LOL, I didn't get submission grids for my last spec either. But I did get them for the first one we went out with. Maybe he's just not doing them anymore? I should ask him when we go out with the next one in late Aug/Sep.
Ha! Cool. Good luck with that submission! Lemme know if you get one [grid]. On this new one of mine I don't really know what's going on. LOL
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Old 07-15-2019, 01:08 AM   #26
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There's Trackingb and Tracking-Board. Specs that go out might get a listing on either or both. The first one I went out with also got a Heat Meter write up that my manager churned out to drum up interest. People still look at those, I guess, but they're not as trafficked as they were five years ago.

And there are internal boards as well. I've never been on them, but I know about them through friends. GGXXX will have better insight on those, I'm sure.
Actually, I don't have better intel on that. All I can say is that from an insidery perspective, my ex never (not once) looked at any of that. The mid-level agents and above seriously don't give a fukk about ANY script competitions. God's honest truth. How's that for a miserable stat? I believe all of that is for the "baby" managers and agents.

Swear to God, I once asked my ex if she read any Nicholl scripts and she's like "I've heard of it, but I don't really know what that is." That's how spoiled some of these reps are. That's how fukkin HARD it is to get signed at a BIG.... (not that you, specifically, don't now that. Speaking generally)

Ooops... but yeah, those insidery lists are out there, but I don't know how you get on them. Huge sale? I honestly don't know. My guess is huge sale.

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Old 07-15-2019, 09:46 AM   #27
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Interesting. So, your manager is literally giving you no notes, it's just a "I liked it or I didn't" call? I'm curious if your manager used to be a writer. I think those types tend to want to dig in more, whereas ex-agents tend not to.

Probably a good place to point out that managers aren't one size fits all, some writers like/need/want their development notes, some writers don't wan't/need that. So you gotta find one who fits your style.
Ha, the call is usually like, my manager says "It's great, but what if you added this element to the third act?" and I'll say, "Hmm, yeah, that's really interesting" and the next day I'll call back and say, "I thought about it, and I think that would ultimately do more harm than good" and (s)he will say, "Yeah, I totally get it," and then we'll move on to strategizing about the script.

FWIW, I think my manager does more "development" with other clients but knows that I don't want that and therefore doesn't try that sh*t with me.

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I'm curious what you mean by this. Are you saying that you have certain relationships with people that your manager doesn't have a relationship with, so you take the lead on it? And why are these scenarios awkward for you?
It's just that, because my agent knew those people, (s)he could pester when necessary, ask for the straight poop, etc., in a way my manager just can't. The person most likely to get a straight answer in these situations is me, so by necessity, I end up doing a rep's job for myself, which can be awkward.
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Old 07-15-2019, 10:04 AM   #28
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Ha, the call is usually like, my manager says "It's great, but what if you added this element to the third act?" and I'll say, "Hmm, yeah, that's really interesting" and the next day I'll call back and say, "I thought about it, and I think that would ultimately do more harm than good" and (s)he will say, "Yeah, I totally get it," and then we'll move on to strategizing about the script.

FWIW, I think my manager does more "development" with other clients but knows that I don't want that and therefore doesn't try that sh*t with me.



It's just that, because my agent knew those people, (s)he could pester when necessary, ask for the straight poop, etc., in a way my manager just can't. The person most likely to get a straight answer in these situations is me, so by necessity, I end up doing a rep's job for myself, which can be awkward.
Ha! Gotcha. Good for you for being that confident about your material. I honestly am not. I used to be, when sh!t was going well, but now that every script only has a few fans (some big ones, but not wide like my first time at bat) I'm way less confident. But good for you, I wish I was where you're at!

Ahhh... gotcha on the relationship thing as well. I'm in a similar position. With some of these fancy shops my manager is like "I have a hard time getting their jr to respond." And I'm like "I've known THE DUDE/CHICK for 10 years. I can email them direct." My manager's like "Then go for it, probably best if you reach out." So I do. Agreed, it's kinda awkward talking up your own stuff and repping yourself. I'd rather not do that. But... *shrug*
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:23 PM   #29
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From big writers you'll hear sh!t like "Managers are worthless, I don't have one." From mid-ish level writers you'll hear sh!t like "Choose VERY carefully."

Bruh, if you ain't got one and are brand new... Take anyone (legit) willing to rep you. Meaning, if you ain't got choices. I don't care what anyone says, at least that sorta gets you in the game. It's more than nothing. But, you should ALWAYS continue to manage/agent yourself.

You can always hopscotch managers after you get some momentum if it's not a perfect fit. I mean, you'll likely do that anyway (So far I've been with CAA, Resolution, Gotham, new place).

Your specific questions are (for me) a very layered question to answer. But I'd always go with the dude/chick who's gonna hustle the most for you. What does it matter if you're with CAA if they don't return your calls?

Thanks. It's hard to gauge who's going to hustle or be passionate about your work as it seems like different writers have different experiences with the same managers. Judging from the answers to the questions on this thread, different writers have had a different rapport with their reps. Thanks for sharing your perspective from the vantage point of someone experienced in these things.
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:03 PM   #30
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Thanks. It's hard to gauge who's going to hustle or be passionate about your work as it seems like different writers have different experiences with the same managers. Judging from the answers to the questions on this thread, different writers have had a different rapport with their reps. Thanks for sharing your perspective from the vantage point of someone experienced in these things.
My pleasure, but IDK how experienced I am with these things. Truthfully, I feel like the longer I'm in this biz the less I know. Feels like it's a total crap shoot all the way around.

Good luck!
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