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Old 08-15-2019, 04:34 AM   #51
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Remember to save all this, it's going to make a great documentary, maybe as a DVD extra.

When you make the movie, everyone you hire will be thinking, "170 pages? Is this for real? Are we being filmed for reality TV?" and doing shifty eyes at each other.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:44 AM   #52
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Remember to save all this, it's going to make a great documentary, maybe as a DVD extra.
Ha, ha!
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:26 AM   #53
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Make no mistake, I will buy that DVD.
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:29 AM   #54
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No need to be rude. It's been made clear that probably the US studio system has no interest in such length spec scripts. But a good story can be told in such length.

I edited it below 170 btw. It's at 167 now, and I'm trying to be as ruthless as possible. There's no way it will hit 130.

165 maybe.

I wrote what I wanted to write. Not what others wanted me to write. Is it a crime? So what if the inciting incident doesn't happen on page 25? Or that it isn't a "hero's journey" structure. You may write those. And some of those films are good.

I'm willing to bet a lot of people have written 90-120 page scripts on this forum that haven't sold. So who cares if I broke limits? What if mine sells, would that be a bad thing?
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:58 AM   #55
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I'm pretty sure "dpat" was not trying to be rude. He was poking a little fun at all the people continuing to respond in the thread and it's length. That's all.

People are genuinely trying to help.

That said, points have been made by all. You've noted what you're going to do and hopefully you're all set.

Why don't we all move on from the topic and focus on some other threads for now? Then Merrick can update us down the line, as desired.

All the best with your film, M.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:01 AM   #56
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Understandable, yes I'm good to move on. I'll definitely let you know if anything happens with it.

I really appreciate the supportive words from people. And a little bit of reality is appreciated too. I won't be deterred, but reasonable expectations are good to have.
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:07 AM   #57
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Because of what I've read many script readers say on here and other forums / blogs. The post below yours even says they didn't like any long scripts past word 1 ...

I am aware I could be totally delusional about all of this and could eat my words in the future.

By the way, maybe I did not make it clear. I do intend to make this myself.

It sounds like Hollywood and agents are not for me. It doesn't mean I won't try, but I'll have very low expectations.
my mistake, i thought you were saying that you believe if others have long scripts they don't know what they're doing, so good to clarify.

look, we don't know if it's good or not. we're speculating and cautioning you, rather strongly at times, because we all have to adjust our writing based on expectations of the industry.

personally, my longest screenplay was 128 (sci-fi dystopian action thriller) and industry reviews said it was "slightly" too long due to a bit of overwriting.

now this is a sci-fi epic with ground up world building nearly the entire spec. everything was researched for a monetary system, political system, it's own slang, blah, blah, blah-- everything a society needs including infrastructure, culture, and it's actually two worlds. similar to our world, but still different, you know?

i'll get to my point. it started at 128, i had a manager at the time and i'm beginning to think now, that maybe he wasn't that good of a manager, because he never once asked me to trim.

i've been rewriting this script this week and my goals were, reduce the overwriting and better develop character relationships because yeah, it's hard to build strong emotional connections for an epic in 128 pages of an ensemble piece. so, i feel you.

sometimes distance and experience helps. this script received 8s on the black list and i say that, not to brag, but to let you know the quality of the writing. world building, action sequences, dialogue and description writing are my strengths. it is also a franchise piece.


128 - starting page count.
122 - reduced overwriting. 1/2 the way in first pass.
127 - add scenes and moments to increase character relationships and add clarity
121 - today after removing action and dialogue that was not absolutely necessary to moving the story forward including removing unnecessary scenes.
i'm on page 81 and will finish today. i fully expect the page count to clock in below 120 pages.

the story is the same. the primary action is the same. still has provocative imagery. still has my asides and my voice. but it is broken down to ONLY what moves the story forward.

so, sometimes distance helps your perspective. you may never get it down, without sacrificing your story. i don't know.

sincerely wishing you good fortune-- just keep an open mind about the responses you receive and take them to heart. no one wants to see you fail.

good luck.
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:47 AM   #58
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By the way, maybe I did not make it clear. I do intend to make this myself.
I was NOT clear on that at all. In my head, you were working a 9 to 5 job, always wanted to write and finally wrote your first script in WORD between working hours and now you wanted to know the basics of how to format, etc.

However, yes selling a longer spec is hard however when you give it to a manager or agent at least their jobs are to read scripts all the time. They will probably be the most forgiven of their time because they at least know they can change it from 170 to 120....

What I'm saying is, if I was an actor, money person, DP, any crew person, I'd be bummed out that the script I had to read was so long...

Now again if it reads like CLERKS which was 99% dialogue and play like it reads super fast. But if you wrote 170 pages and each action line is like a Paul thomas Anderson movie, then even if you aren't trying to sell it, it's going to be really really tough for others to see your vision on paper.

If I was you, I'd post first 10 pages or maybe PM some people on here -- get some reads from people that have been there (if they want to give it to you).

Just want a POV from someone outside your circle in my opinion.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:01 AM   #59
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finalact - that is all totally understandable. I just spent the past week+ cutting it from what would've come into a script program at 220 pages and with careful editing of descriptions and re-editing once imported down to 165.

The story and scenes are 99% the same. I hacked out a few lines of dialogue and trimmed a couple scenes, that's it.

It is obviously easier to over-write descriptions in a word processor because I had no idea how they would look on a script page. Plus, a lot of action, I just blurted out to get the idea down and was much more precise about dialogue.

Bono - no, I run a company in another media field, so this is for all intents and purpose just a really intense hobby. I do not need to ever sell this script. I could light it on fire now and not let anyone read it, it really wouldn't matter.

I wrote it to do something I always wanted to do. Directing a feature is also something I always wanted to do, so hopefully I can fulfill that aspect too.

Maybe I will get some feedback from here when it's done and copyrighted. I feel confident in it, but it is very possible and okay if lots of people hate it.

As mentioned, I did a beta feedback round. One person hated it (I expected them to). Everyone else anywhere from enjoyed to loved it. The most positive reactions came from an actor, an editor, and a journalist.

I feel like I did a good job.

There are some hellishly long stretches of dialogue. And I simplified all the descriptions down to 3rd grade reading level.

I think it flows very quickly, save a few short scenes.

It's a very easy read imo.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:43 AM   #60
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Maybe I will get some feedback from here when it's done and copyrighted. I feel confident in it, but it is very possible and okay if lots of people hate it.
you don't "copyright" your work. you "register" your copyright. copyright protection grants coverage to the IP holder the minute it's in a fixed form. a song. a short story. an outline. a treatment. a screenplay. film. commercial. you name it.

it is already protected by copyright since you have an executed document. you don't even have to register it, and you are 100% protected by copyright laws. no one can steal it or infringe upon it.

so, it would be lovely if you posted pages. totally up to you.
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