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Old 03-23-2011, 08:29 AM   #81
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I didn't notice anyone else saying this, so I'll say it:
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Sending out 10 story concepts a week is not a good approach, based on my experiences...When you submit too many ideas, they all get inflated, and nothing sticks.
I agree. We're told elsewhere to nail ONE great script, yet we're supposed to have 10 ideas floating around at the tip of a hat, to offer up to the "other side" on spec?! That's not a wise business strategy, and certainly not the way my brain creates, anyway. I start with an idea, profound or not, and then develop the hell out of it to make it great (my opinion).

As for the concept of busy executives having difficulty absorbing multiple ideas, I do have several reads going on right now as a result of a PDF list of log lines that I send out, upon request. I mention it at the end of every individual query.

I've received compliments that "it's really well organized, thanks" and from that, about half the time, I've received single reads, and one company asked for two.

I suppose the difference is that these are finished scripts, with WGA#'s etc. Basically, each individual query is efficiently crammed into a 4-page document. Since the recipient isn't familiar with me, it's a great way for them to quickly catch up on my work.

Anyway, of these, there are still two active reads going on, at pretty big outfits.

So, you have to try anything to get a read.

But trying to impress with taglines, or "ideas", is risky. Sending out 10+ ideas isn't a secure strategy, especially if they're good ones. What would the recipient owe you? Nothing.

Now, having spare pitches for a face-to-face sounds reasonable, just as it always is to have a spare or ongoing script project. But proving yourself like this, with a shotgun approach of unsecured ideas, hoping one will stick... well, I don't think it's very businesslike.

I know that my lawyer would flip if he knew I were doing it.

In fact, even with my log line list, when someone asked for it, but through my "rep", my lawyer added the following paragraph:

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XXXXX is submitting the attached to XXXXX Pictures for a possible purchase by XXXXX Pictures and would not otherwise be disclosing synopses or the ideas embodied in them and therefore, at the risk of stating the obvious, requests that they not be disclosed to anyone outside of XXXXX Pictures.
I wouldn't have been so bold, but it's how these guys think!

Generally, my opinion of "handshake" deals is that they may be fine under certain circumstances, but only after some money has exchanged hands to establish said trust.
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Old 03-23-2011, 11:08 AM   #82
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You guys' ability to relentlessly focus on the one debatable element in any piece of advice is stultifying.

I'm reshocked every time I see these threads deteriorate like this.

Incredible.
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Old 03-23-2011, 11:10 AM   #83
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People just like to win arguments. That's all it is.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:06 PM   #84
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You guys' ability to relentlessly focus on the one debatable element in any piece of advice is stultifying.

I'm reshocked every time I see these threads deteriorate like this.

Incredible.
Fine. Simple question: would you put up with the working relationship described by the OP?

That's the issue that some of us were trying to discuss--and I don't think it's a minor point. I also don't think it's our fault that you missed it.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:06 PM   #85
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Of course it doesn't.

What's being argued is the process.

Botti wants volume on a regular basis, believing that this kind of churn will eventually produce cream.

Other pro writers are saying that there are alternate ways of achieving the same goal - great material - and alternate ways of working with a manager.

For the some the process is slow incubation. For others, perhaps the churn is done in private and the manager sees only the cream.

The great takeaway from this thread, I think, for all aspiring writers, is that in your quest to land a rep, finding the RIGHT rep must always be foremost.
Putting yourself into a bad working relationship could be damaging, disheartening and ultimately, perhaps even a setback.
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I agree new writers should constantly be searching for a big idea that they can execute to launch their career. If that is done in concert with their manager, great. But as a working writer, I would never sign with a management company that asked me to send them multiple ideas a week.

I come up with new ideas when I need to. Moreover, I come up with the idea when I have a gap in my schedule that would allow me to actually do something with it - like develop it. There's no point in having a great seed for an idea if you don't have time to develop it into a pitch or a spec.

The last thing on my mind when I'm pitching for a job or working on assignment is to be banging out several ideas a day. The focus of my creative energy is on the task in front of me. If an idea hits me out of the blue - great. I'll write it down and when I can do something with it, I'll work on it.

None of this is to say working writers don't spec or aren't working on original ideas. I'd just be very, very surprised if other working writers were sending multiple ideas a week to their reps.
I agree with what's written above. ^^
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:27 PM   #86
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I write 10 feature scripts every week just to cover myself.
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do I admit that certain aspects come from an older script or just continue on my merry way as if it's brand-spanking-new?
Focus on what they like, work that stuff. And yes, whether they ask or not, it's new, brand spanking new. It's the newest thing you've worked on for years. In the very unlikely event that someone sees a similarity to an earlier idea, just remind them this is different, and it's completely new. Exploit the things that are opening doors and ignore the rest.
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:31 PM   #88
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Just getting tired of reading the same bs over and over in this thread.

then don't read it. no gun to your head. you're aware of that, right?
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:40 PM   #89
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10 ideas...to YOUR MANAGER. YOUR REP. Not the studio. Not a producer. Not a director. But the person who will help you cultivate one of those ideas. Are you required to do this? No. You can tell them **** off. Can you do this? Yes. If not, quit wasting everyone's time with your lack of imagination. Let me repeat - Are you required to come up with 10 ideas a week? NO. Did we get that? Everyone secure? Can we move the **** on already? Or is some other ass hat going to find the exception that proves this rule?

Just getting tired of reading the same bs over and over in this thread.
I understand that you have no significant experience to bring to a discussion about the relationship between writers and managers, but do you have to be quite so strident about it?
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Old 03-23-2011, 06:04 PM   #90
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Now I know how Dr. Frankenstein felt.

I've inadvertently created a monster!

Just to wrap things up (on my end, at any rate), thanks to all those who took the time the chime in with their two cents. I appreciate it.
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