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Old 11-16-2014, 02:11 PM   #11
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I see. So all those info about people who sold only a movie idea constituting of 2-3 lines is likely to be blown up by media and probably happened a handful times or to people well connected?

About the contest. You (Edfury/Ronaldinho) say that even if you enter a few lines and win or get noticed. You still have to show something like a script. Since they specifically say you can submit something of 2 sentences or couple pages I wonder what will happen if that happens. Can you (DayJobWriter) or someone else maybe elaborate on that? Because that contest does caught my attention.

Other option is find someone who wants to team up and write an actual script. Is there somewhere (for example this forum, or some WGA forum?) where I can come in contact with screenwriters (with no ideas themselves )?
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Old 11-16-2014, 02:20 PM   #12
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I see. So all those info about people who sold only a movie idea constituting of 2-3 lines is likely to be blown up by media and probably happened a handful times or to people well connected?
What info about people who sold a movie idea based on 2-3 lines? There might be an article that says "SO AND SO SELLS PITCH ABOUT BLAH BLAH BLAH." That doesn't mean that person walked into a room, stated a logline of 2-3 sentences and somebody bought that.

They gave the entire idea of the movie. What it was about. Characters. Themes. Etc. Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev7BrvTsslU

and again, these are by established writers
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Old 11-16-2014, 04:11 PM   #13
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I see. So all those info about people who sold only a movie idea constituting of 2-3 lines is likely to be blown up by media and probably happened a handful times or to people well connected?

About the contest. You (Edfury/Ronaldinho) say that even if you enter a few lines and win or get noticed. You still have to show something like a script. Since they specifically say you can submit something of 2 sentences or couple pages I wonder what will happen if that happens. Can you (DayJobWriter) or someone else maybe elaborate on that? Because that contest does caught my attention.

Other option is find someone who wants to team up and write an actual script. Is there somewhere (for example this forum, or some WGA forum?) where I can come in contact with screenwriters (with no ideas themselves )?
Ok. First hand knowledge. I have sold a pitch. Sold it based on the fact that I would immediately write the script myself. Which I have. Now I'm on the first rewrite and it goes into production sometime in the middle of next year. This has only happened after a track record of successful work and good story ideas.

Would they have even considered a pitch from a writer they didn't know or didn't have any confidence in? Not on your life. NO ONE BUYS IDEAS. No one. You read an article about a pitch selling? It's about a writer who they know can execute the pitch. Period. And execute the pitch on a schedule. I had four weeks to write the first draft. Which they then sat on for ten months.

I can also tell you that the winners of the logline contest will be expected to have a script written or to write one. What you are looking for is a shortcut to getting your movie made. So, here's a brutal truth about this business. There are no short cuts. None. Zero. You have to put in the time and do the work to succeed. You can't count on anyone but yourself. And as far as getting a writer to write your idea, you'll have to pay one, because good writers have their own ideas. And if you find a writing partner, you'll have let that partner have as much say about the script as you do. And then you'll have to go through all the time consuming hoops it takes just to get a script noticed, yet alone optioned/sold.

This is a long term business. The average time from writing a script to production (if you're lucky enough to get it made) is eight years. Some are shorter. Some a lot longer. My pitch from the time I pitched it to the time it gets made, three years. On the shorter side. My other film that's getting made next year, twelve years since I wrote the first draft. You want to see your ideas made into films, do the work.
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Old 11-16-2014, 06:23 PM   #14
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OP it's good you recognize you aren't a writer. It takes work. Years of work as EdFury said. And if I were you I'd look into becoming a producer, rather than a writer. Why? It can also be extremely difficult as well but maybe you have the skill set for it. Producers come up with ideas all the time and develop pitches with writers or employ writers using discretionary funds to spec the entire thing. Sometimes writers will even spec a producer's idea for free. A lot of writers, especially working writers, flat out won't do this. Like selling a pitch, it's most often reserved for producers with credits we'd all recognize, a stellar reputation, the encouragement of the writer's agency in some cases and definitely an idea the writer can't pass up. Just think of how much time the writer is risking.

My suggestion would be for you to look into what it takes to produce, both from a creative standpoint and also a financial standpoint, learning to acquire outside financing [private equity] by people who either want tax shelters lol or want to be involved in the feature film space, and then hiring a writer with those funds to either construct a pitch or spec out the idea. Be a good matchmaker. A good middleman. Once the script or pitch in some cases is finished, your production company can approach more talent [directors, actors] with real offers, money offers, and get them attached. Once you have a nice package of talent together, you can try to set it up at a mini-major or major studio. Or not.

Given your lack of experience, you might hit more than a few road blocks along the way. You most likely will have to start outside the Hollywood system. That's not easier mind you, but in that world, your budgets will be less threatening, something attainable. It has to be something that can be made for a certain amount, but have solid talent involved, a great story and enough production value that it would be picked up be a distributor. I'd look up all of your favorite independent films and see how those were started. That's a good place to start formulating a plan.

Hopefully you have a snapshot of what it's like for a writer, when people offer up ideas but never want to pay a writer to develop them. You can only imagine what that would be like if you tried it with your mechanic for instance lol.

Good luck with everything. Please follow up, I'm interested to see how you approach things from here.

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Old 11-16-2014, 07:12 PM   #15
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And is it an option to team up with a (starting) scriptwriter? Hiring one to do a script is not an option since I don't have money enough to have someone do it for me.
Please reflect on the fact that you are asking someone to pay you for not writing, in pursuit of which you are proposing to not pay someone for actually writing.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:01 AM   #16
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You can try the self proclaimed Pitch King Bob Kosberg, but even he's not selling much anymore.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:39 AM   #17
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I have a question about movie ideas.

I wonder if you can still find ways to sell only a movie idea only. That is thus a logline/moviepitch of 2-3 lines only and no script. ( I have made ome synopsis, but I figured out the people hunting for ideas only want to hear a logline first).

It started a long time ago since I was annoyed by the boring movies I saw and than started thinking of ideas myself. I read somewhere (book/internet) about moviepitches and that people send in ideas where sometimes a production company optioned it/or bought it and got a little exited about it.

I have made up 4 original movie ideas since (which as far as I know aren't existing movies yet) but do think now it is a mission impossible to do something with them. I am not a scriptwriter (far from that) but I hope there is someone here who can give me advice to pursue it or if this is such a mission impossible and drop it or should write a script.

In short: Can you still sell today a movie idea via a logline only?

I live in Europe, so I don't have any easy option to attend pitchfests or whatever they are called. Neither am I a (screen)writer, however maybe it is an option to find a person who is and see if that will help.

Thanks for your help!

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From what I've been told, this ship has passed and it's not possible anymore.

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Old 11-20-2014, 11:51 AM   #18
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You can try the self proclaimed Pitch King Bob Kosberg, but even he's not selling much anymore.
His Website doesn't even seem to accept inquiries anymore.
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Old 11-20-2014, 11:52 AM   #19
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From what I've been told, this ship has passed and it's not possible anymore.

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Concur.
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Old 11-20-2014, 04:17 PM   #20
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Thank you guys, this is some very well founded information and advice. I really appreciate the input. Should have checked the forum earlier

I agree with your comments about teaming up with a writer. It came out a bit wrong in the way that I am well aware no one will work for free, but I am guessing outsourcing it completely will be costly. I wasn't looking for a short cut (yet), I just didn't know what to do next and if an idea was enough. But I do know now that an idea is just another idea and needs more than that. Which won't make me stop, it still is something out of the ordinary (at least where I live) to pursue and that's what I like to have going on on the side.

So I think the best thing for me is to start by finding some scripts from movies I watched and liked (style/dialogue) of similar genres of my ideas to see how much text and how it's constructed. Maybe even try and write something just to see what I can make up. If I like it I can always find lessons or books and other info to make it more professional and get back here or pay someone to review it.

About producing, that's a whole other thing but sounds just as interesting. I seriously think that is even closer to my capabilities than writing but probably something with more headaches than a 'writers block'. But for now

About the contests. I will look into scripts and scriptwriting. But is it useful to enter an idea into a contest and see if it will get noticed? If they like it I know I have to come up with more, but than at least I know it has gotten some interest and is worth putting serious time (and maybe money) in. And in what range do I have to think if I would pay someone (not a established top writer off course) to write a script?
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