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Old 01-24-2018, 05:02 PM   #11
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Let me point out the frame again of what I had posted. I have one spec that I believe is a saleable property. I don’t have a rep, I’m looking for one. In the case that I don’t have more than one saleable commercial property, then I intend to share with any prospective rep a franchise property that I’m working on. I have not finished a LOTR trilogy. It’s a proposal, but I’m working on the first. I felt like having a strategy for a brand extension would be value-added. I don’t understand what the objection is to presenting a sales strategy beyond the first story. In the event that I might present that strategy, I simply thought it would be good to structure beyond the first story.
blah blah blah. if you think you really have a script that is a "saleable property" (no working writers i know ever refer to their scripts as "saleable properties" by the way) query production companies and see. don't need a rep to send them query letters. carpe diem. money talks and bullshit walks. you asked for advice and got plenty but now, apparently, don't like the advice. so ignore it and just send the script out anyway.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:29 PM   #12
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What is it about writers? You’re like angry bridesmaids. You felt that me saying I’m confident I have something commercial translates to arrogance? Or what? My confidence in my spec, in your tortured logic, translates to everyone else’s work being trash? Why the clownish dichotomy? It’s so petty, so trite. And your post is replete with the challenges of a Herculean Labor. I don’t get it.

Your quip is to forego the tried and true way of gaining reps, and instead go “carpe diem.” Why so juvenile? Is that what tough-guy writers do? I could almost hear you pounding your chest. Calm down. It is 100% okay for writers to be proud and confident in their spec. In fact, it’s 100% worse when there’s false modesty. If it’s really funny, then the writer should sing about how funny it is; if it’s great action then the writer should celebrate that; if it’s a tear-jerker then the writer should be unabashed about it. Don’t worry, Joe, my confidence in my spec is A-okay, there's no moral quandary. I’m still a decent human being, and I don’t question that you aren’t. But why the bravado?

And no to your carpe diem. I’m going to do the sensible thing and query reps. Why would I take on the business dimension when there are experts who do that? You don’t have to disparage, Joe. Jeesh. The world is big enough for writers who are proud of their specs. I don’t want this to descend into yet another internet flame war. Best regards, guys.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:54 PM   #13
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Have you gotten any accolades for this script from outside sources (i.e. contest win or good BL score) to verify how you feel about it? If not, you should probably wait until the script gets some legit praise from someone or something notable before sending it out.
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Old 05-02-2018, 12:41 PM   #14
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What is it about writers? You’re like angry bridesmaids.
Trust me, they were being nice. Take their advice and run. There's a low ceiling for new posters who are headstrong about some wrong things here -- it seems.

When you think you've got your script to its most perfect state, and you feel you've done all you can do, send it to the Screenplay Mechanic. When you receive your notes back with what you need to hear, and you (probably will) get pissed off with what you read, take a day or two off from writing, then go back and use those notes for a thorough re-write. Then do it again. He's great, and worth every dime, and doesn't blow smoke.

Just read a great quote the other day that fits here perfectly:
"Work in silence, let your success make the noise"

g'luck

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Old 05-02-2018, 01:29 PM   #15
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Try virtualpitchfest.com. Spend a few bucks, perhaps get a few reads, and see what happens.
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Old 05-02-2018, 07:20 PM   #16
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When you think you've got your script to its most perfect state, and you feel you've done all you can do, send it to the Screenplay Mechanic.
I second this! Drew is the best. He has done coverage for over 8,000 screenplays (including for most studios). Knowing how your script compares to 8,000 other screenplays is priceless in my opinion.
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Old 05-04-2018, 01:57 PM   #17
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I felt like having a strategy for a brand extension would be value-added. I don’t understand what the objection is to presenting a sales strategy beyond the first story.
If you are a known name, this would be a discussion you definitely would be having in meetings. But without a couple of sales and produced hits behind your name, it's just "noise" as far as agents would be concerned.
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:41 PM   #18
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If you are a known name, this would be a discussion you definitely would be having in meetings. But without a couple of sales and produced hits behind your name, it's just "noise" as far as agents would be concerned.
This. Absolutely this.
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Old 05-05-2018, 11:04 AM   #19
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Confidence in your work is a great thing. If you don't believe in it, who will? That being said, this industry will tell you whether it's justified fairly quickly. The cream will often rise to the top if it's cream, once you find the right fit for it. So if you feel good about where it's at, start the query process and see what happens.

Personally, I've never hired readers. I had one or two couple trusted friends with writers' brains provide some basic feedback. Beyond that - I let query responses (or sometimes lack thereof) tell me whether I was on the right track or not. Mostly, I just believed in my work, kept up the hustle, read a lot of produced screenplays for research and comparison, and played the query game like crazy.

Cut to now - I have a major manager from a top firm, one project set to film this year, one project attaching an A-list actor's production company, one project with serious interest from a buyer with a $1B in funding at their disposal, and an exciting new spec freshly out on the town this week. The point here: different strokes for different folks. This industry and the road to success isn't one size fits all. There are some standards and basic "rules" you have to follow, yes. But different things work out for different people in different ways.

As far as the franchise thing, reps know fairly quickly whether something has franchise potential, so let the first script speak for itself and if they respond well, then mention how you envision it as a franchise and see if they agree. Odds are if they do, they'll have already mentioned it to you in their initial feedback. But even in this case, they'll still want to focus their energy on making the first movie happen and be the best it can be, and deal with sequels, spin-offs, etc down the line.

My final advice to you - is that when someone says things you don't like or agree with or feel mildly insulted by, try not to go in on them with too much defensiveness or a blow up. Always keep a cool head. You'll be in positions with managers, agents, and producers where they'll really push back at you on script elements or business tactics or contract negotiations, and if you react to them how you've reacted to some of the posters here who were just trying to help and give you some nuggets based on their experience, you may burn a lot of bridges. And that'd be unfortunate if your work really is solid. Just let your work do the talking and stay chill and hopefully it'll all work out as you hope.

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