Results of Script Shark coverage

[SundownInRetreat]

Originally Posted by TBEagle

Saying someone shouldn't get coverage because their new is kind of ignorant.

Ignorant is not reading what's being said. I never said not to get coverage (though I did state I don't rate it - along with many others). I only said not to rush things. In what world is not rushing things bad advice? I also questioned his reasons for wanting further coverage and pointed out valid reasons why. Again, in what world was my advice on that front bad?

Who knows it could be his first script and it could be the **** and the coverage could push it to the greatest **** ever.

Yeah, it could. But chances are it won't be. So again, in what world is advising someone who seems reallly eager not to shell out for coverage, repeat coverage, and trying to get their first script onto Shark's scouting service a bad thing? In what world is your stance of "hey, it could be that 1 in a billion script so f**k the money" sage wisdom?

And ignorance is jumping on someone for giving an opinion in good wisdom. An opinion, that you damn well know, is shared by many seasoned writers, including those "not new and eager" pros you alluded to.

[SundownInRetreat]

Originally Posted by Grandmaster

Funny, because you've not only done this to me in the past, but I've interpretted you as having done this to others on several ocassions too.

I commented on you once. Others did too so it wasn't just me. More than that, I didn't read your mind and then ignore your explanation. I commented on your actual post. And if I have done so to others, judging them harshly and ignoring their protestations, then by all means point them out because I don't recall. The only person I've crossed swords with is ATB when he purposefully went after me in a couple of threads, laughably saying non pro sports stars can't comment on pro athletes. And he then followed me to another thread, advocating a limited vocabulary. Even then I made it clear with emoticons I was confused with his attitude rather than angry. And even then I chose to walk away rather than fight with him. Yeah, real argumentative, huh?

Take some time away, get some actual writing done and come back with an attitide that's more in tone with the real you. Unless, of course, you're naturally bellicose, in which case, carry on.

Like I said, show me. Show this bellicose nature. My history shows a predominance of asking questions and trying to help out where I can. I check in a couple of times a day and hover around. In fact, you'll see my initial posts were in the Amazon thread, asking people to stop being aggressive to Nikeegoddess, who didn't deserve such hostility. Does that sound like someone who is naturally bellicose?

And whilst you're at it, show me where I've been so out of order in this post because all I see is people taking 3 pages to jump on me when I simply tried to help. The same people who ignored HH's similar advice. Who denounced mine despite it being shared by many of the pros around here.

[EvilRbt]

Originally Posted by Grandmaster

Unless, of course, you're naturally bellicose, in which case, carry on.

I love that you used the word "bellicose."

[UnequalProductions]

I'm going to jump on the SundownInRetreat hate bandwagon.

How DARE you suggest that aspiring screenwriters read other scripts? I've seen all 3 Transformers movies. I think I know how screenwriting works. And why would I write a 3rd script? Or even a 2nd one for that matter. I haven't sold my my 1st one yet.

Jeez. Get a clue.

[TBEagle]

Ignorant is not reading what's being said. I never said not to get coverage (though I did state I don't rate it - along with many others). I only said not to rush things. In what world is not rushing things bad advice? I also questioned his reasons for wanting further coverage and pointed out valid reasons why. Again, in what world was my advice on that front bad?

I know exactly what you said, maybe you should reread what you wrote because I wasn't the only person didn't agree with you which would usually mean you have a high chance of being wrong.

Yeah, it could. But chances are it won't be. So again, in what world is advising someone who seems reallly eager not to shell out for coverage, repeat coverage, and trying to get their first script onto Shark's scouting service a bad thing? In what world is your stance of "hey, it could be that 1 in a billion script so f**k the money" sage wisdom?

Strong strawman, by your so called wisdom he should write three crappy scripts, instead of getting coverage[which could be from anybody mind you from free to paid] on his writing now and improving themselves now instead of later. Just because you and many others wrote shitty first scripts don't mean others will.

And ignorance is jumping on someone for giving an opinion in good wisdom. An opinion, that you damn well know, is shared by many seasoned writers, including those "not new and eager" pros you alluded to.

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there is no magic number to making you a better writer.
writing three script or reading a certain amount of scripts isn't going to automatically make you better and the pros would agree with me.
Your so called wisdom is wrong and is pulled from nowhere. Show me where these mysterious pros who say writing three scripts will automatically make you a better writer.

Originally Posted by UnequalProductions

I'm going to jump on the SundownInRetreat hate bandwagon.

How DARE you suggest that aspiring screenwriters read other scripts? I've seen all 3 Transformers movies. I think I know how screenwriting works. And why would I write a 3rd script? Or even a 2nd one for that matter. I haven't sold my my 1st one yet.

Jeez. Get a clue.

Reread what sunny and the rest of the thread says, nobody is arguing that.

[Ronaldinho]

As a rule of thumb, I think it's often a bad idea to go back to the same person for more notes. The real note is always "I didn't love it enough."

When friends ask me to read their stuff, I generally have a rule of never reading two successive drafts of something. In those cases, I end up invariably judging the second draft based on how much of my notes they incorporated, which isn't good for anyone.

I know someone who got rep through Scriptshrk - but don't chase their approval. Incorporate the notes that make sense to you to improve the script. Move on to the next one.

At a certain point it is no longer worthwhile to keep circling back around the same script over and over all. Move on to the next one. I don't know what your level of experience is, but I would say that the fewer scripts you've written, the more quickly you should move on. Don't be precious with it.

Address the notes that work for you. Submit it to a few contests (a good placing in the Nicholl, for example, will get you more reads from managers and agents than their recommendation). Move on.

[mge457]

Originally Posted by one seven spectrum

There's no paint by numbers with anything in this world, nor is it so black and white.

My second spec got optioned and is currently in early pre - and I wrote it when I'd read less than 30 screenplays.

Just saying.

I agree with this. There is no rule.

My first script got me a manager and a 'consider' from one of the more prominent consultants on this board.

Anything is possible.

[Grandmaster]

^Then you must have done some kind of screenwriting course, because the simple fact of the matter is: screenwriting is unnatural.

By this, I mean that everyone can string some kind of prose together, as we can all talk and have all read prose (in whatever form) before - it's how we learn to write!
Screenwriting is a craft; it has to be learned.



P.S. I can be arsed arguing with you Sundown... but you deliberately took a comment I'd posted (in terms of sexuality) and twisted it to make me appear sexist or whatever.
Your above post is therefore untrue. Have a nice day.

[mge457]

Originally Posted by Grandmaster

^Then you must have done some kind of screenwriting course, because the simple fact of the matter is: screenwriting is unnatural.

By this, I mean that everyone can string some kind of prose together, as we can all talk and have all read prose (in whatever form) before - it's how we learn to write!
Screenwriting is a craft; it has to be learned.

No actual course, but you are correct. Screenwriting is work - and I treat it as such.

Before writing my first script, I read several 'writing' books, hundreds of scripts and listened to nearly 100 hours of podcasts & interviews.

[iggy]

Originally Posted by mge457

No actual course, but you are correct. Screenwriting is work - and I treat it as such.

Before writing my first script, I read several 'writing' books, hundreds of scripts and listened to nearly 100 hours of podcasts & interviews.

Any podcasts/interviews you'd recommend? Thanks.