Shooting a person

[Mark Somers]

pipe, is there aaaah ... well an underlining reason for your question. A firearms accidents you would like to share with the group?

[sbbn]

Originally Posted by GI_Jeep

In most cases people do drop like a sack of potatoes after taking a round. The initial impact can take anyone off their feet including those wearing body armor.

Not true - assuming the person isn't shot in the head or heart. There's a guy in a case I'm working on who was shot twice in the chest with a .40 caliber (one of those calibers that is purportedly great for stopping power) handgun while he was running away. Shots went right through him and he kept running until his lung collapsed, his chest cavity filled with blood and he finally died from a combination of exsanguination (mostly into the chest cavity) and suffocation from having his internal organs crushed by the filling blood. But he survived for some time and was able to run a distance that surprised me.

[christopher jon]

Only one way to settle this.

We'll need some volunteers.

[Hilander]

Originally Posted by christopher jon

Only one way to settle this.

We'll need some volunteers.

I think they need more information
Rifles or handguns?
Which calibers?
To heck with it, let's split the difference and start here
BFR .45/70 Gov't Revolver

[GI_Jeep]

Originally Posted by sbbn

Not true - assuming the person isn't shot in the head or heart. There's a guy in a case I'm working on who was shot twice in the chest with a .40 caliber (one of those calibers that is purportedly great for stopping power) handgun while he was running away. Shots went right through him and he kept running until his lung collapsed, his chest cavity filled with blood and he finally died from a combination of exsanguination (mostly into the chest cavity) and suffocation from having his internal organs crushed by the filling blood. But he survived for some time and was able to run a distance that surprised me.

"in most cases"

From my experience they drop. I'm not saying some dont get up and run off due to adrenaline, fear, drugs or pure idiot strength. humans react differently to everything - including getting shot.

[GI_Jeep]

Originally Posted by christopher jon

Only one way to settle this.

We'll need some volunteers.

Anyone who uses "we see"

[mswriterj]

Originally Posted by sbbn

... There's a guy in a case I'm working on who was shot twice in the chest with a .40 caliber (one of those calibers that is purportedly great for stopping power) handgun while he was running away. Shots went right through him...

That means the shooter wasn't using hollow points. Regular bullets often go straight through. Hollow points rip things to shreds and stay inside. They do much more damage and more effective in stopping your target.

[sbbn]

Originally Posted by GI_Jeep

"in most cases"

From my experience they drop. I'm not saying some dont get up and run off due to adrenaline, fear, drugs or pure idiot strength. humans react differently to everything - including getting shot.

I think it's a pretty broad generalization. I deal with quite few people getting shot and "in most cases" I see people aren't dropping from getting shot (except for the shots to head or heart) and in my experience the whole getting knocked off your feet from getting shot is pretty much garbage, at least as far as handguns go (seen a few people shot with other stuff but most of what I see is handguns).

[sbbn]

Originally Posted by mswriterj

That means the shooter wasn't using hollow points. Regular bullets often go straight through. Hollow points rip things to shreds and stay inside. They do much more damage and more effective in stopping your target.

Nope. They were .40 caliber high-grade hollow point Winchester bullets. I can't really debate what hollow tips do what compared to each other vs something like a FMJ because my experience is limited to people I've seen who have been shot but in the particular case I described the rounds were holllow-points, they went straight through, and the guy didn't drop - keep running.

[mswriterj]

Originally Posted by sbbn

Nope. They were .40 caliber high-grade hollow point Winchester bullets. I can't really debate what hollow tips do what compared to each other vs something like a FMJ because my experience is limited to people I've seen who have been shot but in the particular case I described the rounds were holllow-points, they went straight through, and the guy didn't drop - keep running.

Wow. That's crazy that they went straight through! I stand corrected. I'll amend my post to say, "In theory..."