Re: "Waiting"
BestWriterEver says, "An independent film is one made outside of the studio system. ... You trying to impose your taste on what's a "real" independent and what isn't is ridiculous."
-- "ridiculous"?
When Focus Features, who has to answer to Universal Studios, puts up 14 million to make a movie, don't you think they're going to get involved with ideas on how to make the script/film "better"?
To me this isn't independent filmmaking.
To me independent filmmaking is not only having the film produced independent of the studio system, but also having the writer/director not to be pounced on by studio executives, changing the writer/director's vision.
I'm not saying it's bad to listen to these executives' opinions. It's bad only if it messes with the writer/director's vision. This is not independent filmmaking.
Yes, a top producer with clout and a track record, who wants more control and more of any profits, can go outside the studio system to get independent financing to make a 20 million dollar action movie and it would be considered independent filmmaking.
Do I have a problem accepting that as a definitive definition of an independent film?
Yes, I do.
BestWriterEver says, "Trying to claim that independents have purer motives and are more/artistic/less commercial isn't supported by the facts."
-- You post a few of the breakout winners from the indie world like "Napoleon Dynamite" and you proclaim this as proof positive that independents don't consider art first and commercial potentional second. The opposite of the studios' order of importance.
-- This statement is wacky. It's a known fact that the independent world takes on projects that the studio deemed not commercial.
How commercial is "Happiness"? How commercial is "The Brown Bunny"? You think independent filmmaker Vincent Gallo is going to play it safe for the sake of making his vision more commercial?
I could go on with examples of the risks that the independent world takes, but I feel you have your opinion about all of this and I'll be just wasting my time and energy.
BestWriterEver says, "An independent film is one made outside of the studio system. ... You trying to impose your taste on what's a "real" independent and what isn't is ridiculous."
-- "ridiculous"?
When Focus Features, who has to answer to Universal Studios, puts up 14 million to make a movie, don't you think they're going to get involved with ideas on how to make the script/film "better"?
To me this isn't independent filmmaking.
To me independent filmmaking is not only having the film produced independent of the studio system, but also having the writer/director not to be pounced on by studio executives, changing the writer/director's vision.
I'm not saying it's bad to listen to these executives' opinions. It's bad only if it messes with the writer/director's vision. This is not independent filmmaking.
Yes, a top producer with clout and a track record, who wants more control and more of any profits, can go outside the studio system to get independent financing to make a 20 million dollar action movie and it would be considered independent filmmaking.
Do I have a problem accepting that as a definitive definition of an independent film?
Yes, I do.
BestWriterEver says, "Trying to claim that independents have purer motives and are more/artistic/less commercial isn't supported by the facts."
-- You post a few of the breakout winners from the indie world like "Napoleon Dynamite" and you proclaim this as proof positive that independents don't consider art first and commercial potentional second. The opposite of the studios' order of importance.
-- This statement is wacky. It's a known fact that the independent world takes on projects that the studio deemed not commercial.
How commercial is "Happiness"? How commercial is "The Brown Bunny"? You think independent filmmaker Vincent Gallo is going to play it safe for the sake of making his vision more commercial?
I could go on with examples of the risks that the independent world takes, but I feel you have your opinion about all of this and I'll be just wasting my time and energy.
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