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[sarajb]

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A confident writer will show his or her works to the world because they know how to filter what they can use and what they can't.

This is kind of what I was getting at.

[Boobsie Malone]

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I get feedback. I like feedback. Feedback is fun.

I have a friend who doesn't get feedback. She doesn't like feedback. She doesn't think feedback is fun. And, you know what? She doesn't need it, she's doing just fine on her own. But... she's an extremely talented writer with zero ego.

Some people find feedback useful. Some don't. People can actually be different, and it's okay.

sc, I'm guessing Mini doesn't really have the time to be reading script pages, and giving feedback, and... only a guess here, but yeah. However, CE does give feedback over at 2adverbs, if you're looking for feedback!

[sarajb]

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People can actually be different, and it's okay.

No they can't! They must be just like me! Conform to my perfection! It's the only way!

[Boobsie Malone]

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Okay.

Signed,

Sarajb2

[Minibrain]

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I guess I have to explain something really clearly.

I NEVER read script pages on DD. Or any internet site.

So, how could I say that many people here suck?

Because -- in any large group of amateur writers, many of them suck.

It's the nature of writing, and writers. There's not a lot of good writing out there, not a lot of good writers.

I wasn't speaking specifically of anyone here, or even of this group.

I'm sure there's some good writers here. I'm sure there are some script pages that wouldn't make me want to run screaming from my computer.

My main point is this, and it's a simple one:

Find skilled and talented people to give you feedback. Yes, it's harder than just throwing some stuff up on an internet site.

But the effort will be worth it. In many ways.

[Geevie]

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Find skilled and talented people to give you feedback. Yes, it's harder than just throwing some stuff up on an internet site.

But the effort will be worth it. In many ways.

Amen.

[sc111]

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I guess I have to explain something really clearly.

I NEVER read script pages on DD. Or any internet site.

So, how could I say that many people here suck?

Because -- in any large group of amateur writers, many of them suck.

It's the nature of writing, and writers. There's not a lot of good writing out there, not a lot of good writers.

Thank you for clarifying.

[Geevie]

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Some people find feedback useful. Some don't. People can actually be different, and it's okay.

Absolutely.

I just don't agree with the contention that the people who seek out feedback lack confidence.

That's a silly blanket statement that has absolutely zero merit.

Someone with a natural gift can only get better by learning from others who have been in the fight longer.

And, uh, I'm pretty confident in that position.

[sasqits]

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Really? You remember pouring your first glass of juice? How old were you? Did Mommy give you a hand, or were you raised by a pack of wolves?

See most people were shown how to pour a glass of juice, then poured (and spilled) under supervision. Gradually, over time and with repeated practice the supervision was less and less until we succeeded at pouring a glass of juice all by our onesies.

It's called a growth process.

This is interesting b/c different people learn in different ways. See, no one supervised me when I poured my first glass of juice. I just remebered from watching my mom. No feedback. I did spill some the first time. W/o feedback I knew that was wrong. I knew that from watching, not feedback.

I learned screenwriting from watching. No feedback.

I never wrote that screenwritng must be learned w/o feedback.

So, you need feedback in order to learn, I don't. What's the problem?

Feedback is a critical part of a writer's growth process.

I must not be a writer. Feedback is a critical part of some writer's growth process.

See, I have an old script which I know could be better even though it has received positive, unsolicited feedback. The feedback only told me what I already knew so it has not been helpful.

I have not written that feedback cannot be helpful. I have written that it is not neccessary in order to be a good writer. For some it may be - I never wrote otherwise. Also, I never wrote that I would not listen to feedback, as some posters have assumed. I just don't feel the need to seek it, but I would listen to pass the time at least. I like to listen to things that relate to myself. Do I have a positive self image or am I self absorbed? That's up to you to decide.

I did write that it is better to be confident enough to not feel the need for feedback. I don't see any arguement against this. Maybe some people are not at that stage, but surely they would like to be.

Actually, my ego is HUGE. Jealous?

[sasqits]

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I just don't agree with the contention that the people who seek out feedback lack confidence.

That's a silly blanket statement that has absolutely zero merit.

Ha, ha. Seeking feedback means you lack confidence, confidence meaning having faith in one's abilites. Why else would you seek feedback? Just because? Ha, ha.

[Marine66]

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I'm still trying to figure out how old you were when you poured your first glass of juice?

[sasqits]

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I'm still trying to figure out how old you were when you poured your first glass of juice?

I guess I was about five and six ninths. Different people learn at different rates and in different ways. There may be concepts that I have not learned that a five year old has already learned. Maybe.

[CutteRug]

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Why else would you seek feedback?

Because distance provides perspective.

I can be perfectly confident in my abilities, but after a certain point of working with a piece of material, I will NEVER be able to regain one crucial quality - that of looking upon the story with a fresh perspective.

Cheers,

Cutt-

[sasqits]

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Because distance provides perspective.

I can be perfectly confident in my abilities, but after a certain point of working with a piece of material, I will NEVER be able to regain one crucial quality - that of looking upon the story with a fresh perspective.

Perception is interesting.

You would not be perfectly confident then. Maybe 99.9999999999% confident, but not perfect.

How many people do you show your script to in order to get a proper perspective? Ten? Ten thousand? Ten million? Or just one. You, for example. Or, let's say me, since I know everything.

Confidence is knowing w/o needing a fresh perspective. When I see a movie I like, I don't need to ask others if they liked it in order to know that I liked it. I used to, before I had confidence. Maybe tomorrow I won't have confidence but right now I do. I like it.

[Mister Q]

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Sasqits, just out of interest, is your real name Vania?