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    Has anyone got a list of the main male and female archetypes I could take a look at it? I think my files have finally gotten out of hand in scope. I can't find anything in them.

    Thanks.

  • #2
    Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

    Men: Leave the toilet seat up.

    Women: Complain about it.
    https://actbreakdown.com

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    • #3
      Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

      Men have the part that sticks out downstairs, women have the parts that stick out upstairs.

      Actually, I don't have any list of archetypes, I like to think of everyone as an individual... even clones.

      - Bill
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      • #4
        Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

        Actually with the amount of characters I have to draft for this slasher on a tight time frame I was just going to go down the character type list and turn cliches on their head for a start and develop from there. Ex. - Not that good looking of a chick who's arrogant about her looks and exudes a certain type of sexuality and confidence.

        I don't want cut outs. I thought it might be easier to work from a archtype template, couldn't find one on the net even though I know they're there, and build on it until I got something to work with.

        But I'll try to keep the little pokey bits in the right place, Bill. The ones with the parts that stick out up top leave the seat up right? And the complainers are the ones who pee on the floor?

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        • #5
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          I always create characters from theme...

          http://www.scriptsecrets.net/articles/zombie.htm

          - Bill
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          • #6
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            Awesome, thanks, Buddy. Your site should've been the first place I looked.

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            • #7
              Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

              This ...

              Universal Archetypes

              The same archtypes repeatedly appear in all successful stories and story forms. This is so prevalent that it is unusual when certain archetypes do not appear in stories (when this happens, more often than not, the story is poorer). For example, Ash is the Shape Shifter in Alien (1979), Tessio is the Shape Shifter in The Godfather (1972) and Thornton is the Shape Shifter in The WIld Bunch (1969); Joey is the Joker / Fool in Friends, Woody is the Joker / Fool in Cheers and Karen is the Joker / Fool in Will and Grace.

              There are a number of core archetypes and a number of peripheral archetypes. From our analysis of hundreds of Hollywood blockbusters and successful stories, we have detected more than thirty in total. Core archetypes include the Hero, AntiHero, Shape Shifter, Mentor / Supernatural Aid, Interdictor, Romantic Challenge etc. Peripheral archetypes include Doves, Hawks, Loser, Joker, Fool etc. Sometimes a character can play multiple archetypes, for example, it is not unusual for the Romantic Challenge to also be an Interdictor; for the Loyal Ally to be a Dove.

              The first and most important stage of character development is knowing the character's archetype. You need to know what the character's function is in the story, before you can develop him or her. Ultimately, characters exist to affect and demonstrate the Transformation(s) inherent in your story.

              Thus, in a sense, the biggest part of character development is already done for you. Because archetypes are ready made character templates. All you have to do is adapt them to fit your story's particular situation. If you use a Hero's Journey Plot, then the archetypes are already in place, sequence by sequence.

              Developing an advanced understanding of the Archetypes is hugely critical for story and screen writers.

              from here ...

              http://www.clickok.co.uk/screenwriti...rchetypes.html

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              • #8
                Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

                Thanks, Alex. Mucho aprecioso...

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                • #9
                  Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

                  And these from Carl Jung.

                  http://www.tamicowden.com/heroes.htm

                  http://www.tamicowden.com/heroines.htm


                  http://www.tamicowden.com/villains.htm

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                  • #10
                    Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

                    You can also pick up of a list of gods and goddesses and their traits - it helps to nail down archetypes.
                    Advice from writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. "Try this: if you can replace your female character with a sexy lamp and the story still basically works, maybe you need another draft.-

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                    • #11
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                      And finally, these words of wisdom from the above author ..



                      [But beware when trying to decide what archetypal family to which a character belongs.

                      AN ARCHETYPE IS NOT DETERMINED BY THE CHARACTER’S ACTIONS!!!!

                      I am serious – what the character does is not the defining element. The defining element is WHY the character does what he does.


                      “Any archetype can do anything –

                      the question will always be why.”


                      Repeat that a thousand times. Tape it to your computer screen. If you have the book, deface the cover by writing those words across it!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

                        Throw this one in too ...

                        http://www.hodrw.com/alpha.htm

                        http://impropaganda.net/socalblog/20...l-compass.html


                        In this one, scroll to the bottom to find a long list of lists

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_c...ock_characters

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                        • #13
                          Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

                          Originally posted by alex whitmer View Post


                          "Any archetype can do anything -

                          the question will always be why.-
                          I don't know it that's 100% true.

                          Iago has become a template for villians, but you rarely see Shakespeare scholars agree on exactly why Iago hated Othello.

                          There were some clues - Iago suspected his own wife was cheating on him, so he planted the same doubts in Othello about Desdemona.

                          Or, Iago was pissed that Othello passed him over for a promotion.

                          Some say Iago was racist - he wanted to destroy the dark-skinned Moor and his lily white wife.

                          But from a drama perspective, none of these reasons "why" are clearly the cause Iago's actions.

                          Sometimes evil is evil for the pure excitement of being evil. And most villians in films have this in common with Iago.

                          Heros are usually more complex in their motivations... they start out thinking they want 'The Grail' for one reason, but in the coure of their journey they realize their soul was reaching for more than "The Grail."
                          Advice from writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. "Try this: if you can replace your female character with a sexy lamp and the story still basically works, maybe you need another draft.-

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                          • #14
                            Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

                            Thanks for all the help guys. Bill, that article really nailed it for me and simplified the process of building the characters. Concept, theme and character are mostly tied together already. I got five right now anyway with each character conflicting in both obvious and subtle ways with at least two others.

                            Why is it producers always want to have a ton of air head bimbos in these types of scripts? I mean, there's no substitute for characterization. I see some slasher movies and can only shake my head at the sheer dim wittedness of these little cut out, tight assed slutty types. I hope the producer goes for having more going for them than **** and hip huggers. I'm sure she will. That's hardly my worry.

                            Thanks again. More info is better. I was having a bit of a panic attack there because I got the call this afternoon and the draft's gotta be done by the end of February.
                            Last edited by Revisionist; 02-10-2007, 10:07 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Male/Female Archetypes...

                              Originally posted by alex whitmer View Post


                              [But beware when trying to decide what archetypal family to which a character belongs.

                              AN ARCHETYPE IS NOT DETERMINED BY THE CHARACTER'S ACTIONS!!!!

                              I am serious - what the character does is not the defining element. The defining element is WHY the character does what he does.


                              "Any archetype can do anything -

                              the question will always be why.-

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