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  • #16
    Re: The line between PG-13 and R

    When it comes to ratings, I think George RR Martin said it best.

    "I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it's madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much."

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    • #17
      Re: The line between PG-13 and R

      Following on from the Martin quote I would like to think people will eventually be less paranoid and scared of sex, doubtful as it is. As for F-bombs I've been using them on a daily basis since I was 9, to delude ourselves into thinking kids don't swear is kinda stupid. Not that it should be encouraged obviously but they aren't as fragile as we think.

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      • #18
        Re: The line between PG-13 and R

        You can say "I pricked my finger", but don't say "I fingered my prick"!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNLOXJw0aUU

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        • #19
          PG-13 & R Language

          Originally posted by WaitForIt View Post
          How fuzzy is the line where language is concerned? How about obscene/profane gestures?

          I'm aiming for PG-13....
          Consider "minced oaths" as an alternative to common "gutter" expletives.

          Having a bit of a Puritanical streak, I was very careful in both English and Quebec French, (especially "joual"), with my choice of words while writing JEKYLL & CANADA. I opted for "Maudit!" as the most intense exclamation of surprise, (with "Oh!" for English), by Jekyll's butler Poole.

          Owing to battle scenes of the "War Between the States," the assassination of Lincoln, and Rin-Tin-Tin fighting with a man, I knew that my film wouldn't get a "G" (General Audience) rating. And, the only obscenity that I had to allow, (for the sake of the story, you'll understand, as a matter of artistic license), was bagpipe music, (never actually showing the profane gestures of the piper).

          Of course, there may be a cultural difference between the way that some Canadians may swear "oaths" and the American way, (for example, at 4:45 in the following):

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1awwAgU_t8
          JEKYLL & CANADA (free .mp4 download @ Vimeo.com)

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          • #20
            Re: The line between PG-13 and R

            Jack said it best, "If you suck on a tit, the movie gets an R rating. If you hack the tit off with an axe, it will be PG."

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            • #21
              Re: The line between PG-13 and R

              Originally posted by WaitForIt View Post
              Screenwriter Kelly Marcel:



              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...iter-says.html

              That's not to say they won't back off, but the author is heavily involved. There's no reason to bring it down to an R. It's going to make $$$ no matter what it's rated.
              It will be interesting to see what they do BUT I FEARLESSLY PREDICT ON THE INTERNET FOR THE WHOLE WORLD that all of the housewives that will buy the book at Target and read it in their living rooms will NOT swarm to the theater to watch a NC-17 film.

              They will absolutely swarm to the more respectable R and then go to Vimeo to watch the scenes that were cut.

              I can't speak to the international audience.

              As for the language/profanity - write what needs to be written certainly, but don't fall into the trap of using profanity just 'cause. (Like so many people do IRL.) Film dialogue is concentrated and a little bit goes a long way, the language loses it's impact very quickly and you aren't showing off your writing chops by using four letter words. Save the F-bomb for when you need a BOMB.

              Now, of course, feel free to ask, "Who the f uc k are you?"

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              • #22
                Re: The line between PG-13 and R

                Originally posted by MegaJon View Post
                It will be interesting to see what they do BUT I FEARLESSLY PREDICT ON THE INTERNET FOR THE WHOLE WORLD that all of the housewives that will buy the book at Target and read it in their living rooms will NOT swarm to the theater to watch a NC-17 film.

                They will absolutely swarm to the more respectable R and then go to Vimeo to watch the scenes that were cut.

                I can't speak to the international audience.
                I have actually pondered this. Would an NC-17 rating keep the crowds away until it comes out on DVD? Honestly ... it could go either way. I could totally see it being a titillating "girls' night out" thing with the rating and the outright explicit nature of the content, and they'll all go see it together just like they all go to the bathroom together. (This coming from a female.)

                But the author also wants this to be more of an art house film than a trashy porno, so I don't know where that line is going to fall. The whole thing is fascinating to me.

                As for the language/profanity - write what needs to be written certainly, but don't fall into the trap of using profanity just 'cause. (Like so many people do IRL.) Film dialogue is concentrated and a little bit goes a long way, the language loses it's impact very quickly and you aren't showing off your writing chops by using four letter words. Save the F-bomb for when you need a BOMB.

                Now, of course, feel free to ask, "Who the f uc k are you?"
                Yeah, there's just one character who would be an F-bomb every other sentence dude when he's around his buddies. (I drop maybe two F-bombs a year myself, so it's not for lack of any more creative vocabulary, hah.) Which is why getting around it seems really lame with this guy. But I'm really working on it now. If I've only got one, I know exactly where it needs to be, so this thread has been very helpful.
                "You have idea 1, you're excited. It flops. You have idea 99, you're excited. It flops.
                Only a fool is excited by the 100th idea. Fools keep trying. God rewards fools." --Martin Hellman, paraphrased

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