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  • #31
    Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

    I think that Hans is just presenting an academic analysis of screenplay structure - and doing it in thorough German style!

    But maybe if a theory does not fit onto one sheet of paper (with a normal font), it is too complicated. Okay, two sheets ... three sheets, maximum!

    Hans, a quick English lesson here, because this same problem will come up again.

    I take it like Einstein who never became a Nobelprize for his theory of relativity.
    You were thinking of the German bekam (from bekommen, which means "to get or to acquire"). But the English verb to become does not have that meaning. Rather, the English to become means the same thing as the German werden.

    It is a common mistake.

    "The fact that you have seen professionals write poorly is no reason for you to imitate them." - ComicBent.

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    • #32
      Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

      Originally posted by Cyfress View Post
      All I can tell you is this, one of the smartest men in the world, Stephen Hawking spent decades of his life proving the theory of everything, once he did it became widely accepted and honored as an incredible achievement, Hawking then spent the next set of years disproving the theory.
      Wait what? There is no current (and never was) a theory which properly unites quantum physics and gravity (theory of everything). And certainly never one that's been proven. It's all highly theoretical -- like String Theory.

      You might be thinking of his thesis that the Universe started as a black hole.
      I'm never wrong. Reality is just stubborn.

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      • #33
        Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

        I thought in the movie he did prove some impossible theory but then years later disprove it. I thought it was the theory of everything, maybe its not. I could be remembering it wrong. I only saw it once when it first came out on demand.

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        • #34
          Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

          Cyfress,

          thanx for your feedback.

          Originally posted by Cyfress View Post
          Except one thing, you are acting like the investigation is over. You found the answer to structure a script in the Hollywood style.
          It's not the only way to structure a screenplay. I just gave some examples. There are more ways to structure screenplays. There are thousands of movies and they are not structured the same. I would never say this.

          ComicBent,

          Thanx for the hint.

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          • #35
            Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

            See, exact instances like this is where I think the term structure is a garbage term. It means nothing. It's just thrown around and used and misused to describe plot. It's structure this and structure that. Structure is detailed and to the point. Structure is endless and has no boundaries. Do you try and bring a preconceived structure to a story? Do you let the story tell you what it's particular structure should be?

            Structure is the sequence of events that tell your story. The key words in that definition is sequence, event, story.

            You ever see a movie where the very first scene is the climax of the movie? Think about that. Their structure said: ACT 1, Scene 1 - Tease the story climax. Then people copycatted it because it did work, it began to work so well that they labeled it, a Tease. Some movies open up like this. That's what structure is, it labels things that worked in the past and have worked for a very long time. The 2nd act climax isn't important because it falls on page 60, its important because the story just took a major turn. The sequence part of structure isn't where the quality comes from, but if you don't have these elements a reader will get lost in your story. Readers have proved to need these scenes to follow the story and be engaged by it. Have writers toyed with it? Of course. Of course. For the most part I know I need that scene that draws my hero into the central conflict, then a few scenes later I have to make sure the dramatic question has been raised and the reader is aware of the question. I know I really need a scene around the middle that turns the story in a direction the reader did not see coming, about 75% through the story I know I need a scene that either displays the hero as the apparent winner or the apparent loser, and then I need a scene at the end where the dramatic question is finally answered and in such a way that the reader is satisfied yet baffled how you got there.

            I need those scenes for the story to make sense to the reader. Having them guarantees you nothing, not having them guarantees you nothing as well as in the script will do 'nothing'.
            Structure to me comes from wrestling with that provoking question that the script is all about and knowing my characters and their connection to that question, have each side land their punches

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            • #36
              Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

              Originally posted by Cyfress View Post
              See, exact instances like this is where I think the term structure is a garbage term. It means nothing. It's just thrown around and used and misused to describe plot. It's structure this and structure that. Structure is detailed and to the point. Structure is endless and has no boundaries. Do you try and bring a preconceived structure to a story? Do you let the story tell you what it's particular structure should be?
              I fervently agree. The Statue of Liberty and custard both have 'structure'. But if you swapped their structure you'd have a messy monument and an inedible pudding. Horses for courses; never hippos.
              Know this: I'm a lazy amateur, so trust not a word what I write.
              "The ugly can be beautiful. The pretty, never." ~ Oscar Wilde

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              • #37
                Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

                Originally posted by Cyfress View Post
                Do you try and bring a preconceived structure to a story?
                First is the idea, then the structure. But when I write I have a 4 act structure in my mind where I place my ideas. There are so many ways to write a screenplay.

                Originally posted by Crayon View Post
                I fervently agree. The Statue of Liberty and custard both have 'structure'. But if you swapped their structure you'd have a messy monument and an inedible pudding. Horses for courses; never hippos.
                You are talking about the substance, the material. It has nothing to do with structure. A chair and a table can be made of wood, same substance, but the structure of a chair and table is different. If the pudding would have the structure of the Statue of Liberty but still would be made of milk, eggs... it would be edible.

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                • #38
                  Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

                  Originally posted by Hans Gruber View Post
                  You are talking about the substance, the material. It has nothing to do with structure. A chair and a table can be made of wood, same substance, but the structure of a chair and table is different. If the pudding would have the structure of the Statue of Liberty but still would be made of milk, eggs... it would be edible.
                  Hmmm ... you may well be correct, despite conflating atomic structure and manufactured structure. But I question just how edible 225 tons of free-standing custard would be. And I suspect the Statue of Liberty would fail to impress if it were in a bowl over apple pie. This clearly warrants further consideration.
                  Know this: I'm a lazy amateur, so trust not a word what I write.
                  "The ugly can be beautiful. The pretty, never." ~ Oscar Wilde

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                  • #39
                    Re: Much easier version of Screenplay-Structure-Sheet

                    See Hans, this is where I think you misuse the word structure. You say, structure and substance have nothing to do with each other and I think that is very false. Structure is the wrestling with the dramatic question for the reader, it has everything to do with substance.

                    What you are talking about is sequence, and you are right sequence has nothing to do with substance which is why sequence guarantees you nothing. I love the movie Goodfellas, and I can sit down and write a story that follows that film beat for beat as far as what's accomplished in the scene, what does that mean? It's going to be as good, half as good, any good?

                    Sequencing is a part of structure, but it's not the only ingredient to it. There's a lot more, so it's not fair to use sequence and structure interchangeably.

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