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  • #31
    Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

    Originally posted by GucciGhostXXX View Post

    don’t risk It, rope the brisket.
    Yikes. Now you've gone too far. Sorry, I must take away your screenwriting card.

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    • #32
      Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

      Originally posted by GucciGhostXXX View Post
      Yup... seems like Craig ultimately agreed with Jeff that it essentially 'DEPENDS.'
      I won't believe it (being okay with summing up characters) until I actually hear it from Craig Mazin himself.

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      • #33
        Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

        Originally posted by finalact4 View Post
        Agreed. I loved your character into on Carnivore.
        Thanks!
        Bruh, fukkin *smooches*! Feel me? Ha!

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        • #34
          Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

          Originally posted by JoeNYC View Post
          Yikes. Now you've gone too far. Sorry, I must take away your screenwriting card.
          Ha!

          I had to go "over the top" in order to make my point: Why not speak like a Texan in the narrative? Personally, I'd find that entertaining. Especially if it's a comedy.
          Bruh, fukkin *smooches*! Feel me? Ha!

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          • #35
            Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

            Originally posted by JoeNYC View Post
            In your CARNIVORE thread, with your protagonist’s character introduction, you’ve succeeded 100%. I have no notes to give you on that. You expressed a winning style, tone and voice.

            TELLING is not wrong. It’s a personal preference by the writer. Sometimes a writer may choose to get across a character’s psychological nature and personality in a novelistic way by TELLING.

            Craig Mazin hates when a writer does this, but when done well, it can be interesting and revealing.

            For example, from AS GOOD AS IT GETS:

            POV - MELVIN UDALL

            in the hallway... Well past 50... unliked, unloved, unsettling. A huge pain in the ass to everyone he’s ever met. Right now all his considerable talent and strength is totally focused on seducing a tiny dog into the elevator door he holds open.

            Character Introductions is not just about a character’s phsyical description. It’s about getting across who the character “is.” His nature.

            For example, from EIGHT LEGGED FREAKS:

            JOSHUA TAFT, (70s), scrutinizes the bug. This old codger is more comfortable studying bugs than socializing with people.

            I suggest for a writer to strive to have a strong first impression with their character introductions because he wants to hook the reader to follow his character. He wants to hook an actor where he tells his agent I must play this character.

            Character introductions are not just about descriptions. It’s also about how you introduce the character when he first appears on screen in the scene’s context.

            For example, in PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN:

            Jack Sparrow sails into port like he’s the King of the world. Very heroic. It looks like he’s on a majestic ship, but it’s revealed he’s on a pitiful dingy that’s sinking. He jumps off onto the dock with perfect timing as the dingy goes under.

            This entrance reveals character and personality. It expresses a charisma and assurness. It makes you want to follow this guy to see what he does next.
            I like all of those character descriptions.

            I like anything that's interesting.

            Which brings up another interesting angle IMO. Whose POV are we writing the character intro from? I think that could be interesting. Like if it's a VO heavy opening (I tend to like VO if it's done well), what if the character introduces himself. Say, in House of Cards where they break the 4th wall, I think it could work. Maybe they did that in the pilot scrip, did they? Haven't read it.

            POINT: I don't believe there's ONE WAY to intro your character. I'd find ANYTHING interesting and fresh if done well. So, thanks for bringing this up. You're giving me more ideas about ways to break rules in order to make it fresh! Ha!
            Bruh, fukkin *smooches*! Feel me? Ha!

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            • #36
              Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

              I don't know what's going on in this thread, but CM in real life is at The Emmys... so something tells me he won't be getting back to Joe anytime soon....

              And as a Jew planning the new year meal, I've been talking about brisket all day. Subway has brisket now, which is scary as crap.

              Note to Everyone: WE ALL SHOULD BE WRITING INSTEAD!

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              • #37
                Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                Originally posted by GucciGhostXXX View Post


                POINT: I don't believe there's ONE WAY to intro your character. I'd find ANYTHING interesting and fresh if done well. So, thanks for bringing this up. You're giving me more ideas about ways to break rules in order to make it fresh! Ha!
                Cool. Instead of you being effectively schooled on coloring inside the lines, the thread inspires ideas of more ways you can color outside the lines.

                I think that qualifies as irony.
                Advice from writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. "Try this: if you can replace your female character with a sexy lamp and the story still basically works, maybe you need another draft.-

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                • #38
                  Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                  Originally posted by Bono View Post
                  I don't know what's going on in this thread, but CM in real life is at The Emmys... so something tells me he won't be getting back to Joe anytime soon....
                  Ha! TRUTH! I wonder how many Emmys he's gonna walk away with. Something tells me he should bring a shopping cart.

                  Originally posted by Bono View Post
                  And as a Jew planning the new year meal, I've been talking about brisket all day.
                  Writing that made me hungry. So, I think it works! Ha!
                  Bruh, fukkin *smooches*! Feel me? Ha!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                    Originally posted by sc111 View Post
                    Cool. Instead of you being effectively schooled on coloring inside the lines, the thread inspires ideas of more ways you can color outside the lines.

                    I think that qualifies as irony.
                    HAHA! Right!?

                    Don't give me ideas about ways to break rules... I'll use 'em! LOL
                    Bruh, fukkin *smooches*! Feel me? Ha!

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                    • #40
                      Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                      next script i'm just going to include pictures of what they look like. emojis instead?

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                      • #41
                        Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                        Originally posted by GucciGhostXXX View Post
                        I like all of those character descriptions.

                        I like anything that's interesting.

                        Which brings up another interesting angle IMO. Whose POV are we writing the character intro from? I think that could be interesting. Like if it's a VO heavy opening (I tend to like VO if it's done well), what if the character introduces himself. Say, in House of Cards where they break the 4th wall, I think it could work. Maybe they did that in the pilot scrip, did they? Haven't read it.

                        POINT: I don't believe there's ONE WAY to intro your character. I'd find ANYTHING interesting and fresh if done well. So, thanks for bringing this up. You're giving me more ideas about ways to break rules in order to make it fresh! Ha!
                        That reminds me of Atonement-- the unreliable narrator. They speak a truth from their own motivations and POV.

                        I love voice overs especially those that contradict what we're seeing. So the audience essentially gets two POVs or two stories.
                        Last edited by finalact4; 09-22-2019, 03:55 PM.
                        "Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist,- Pablo Picasso

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                        • #42
                          Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                          Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind.

                          ATTRIBUTION: DOUGLAS MACARTHUR, the famous Army General.

                          Don't forget he said that even though the Army is built on rules.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                            Originally posted by Bono View Post
                            next script i'm just going to include pictures of what they look like. emojis instead?
                            I already know you're using either the Poop or Unicorn emoji first. Then probably the rainbow.
                            Bruh, fukkin *smooches*! Feel me? Ha!

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                            • #44
                              Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                              Originally posted by finalact4 View Post
                              That reminds me of Atonement, where we have a narrator/storyteller that cannot be trusted to speak the truth-- the unreliable narrator. They speak a truth from their own motivations.

                              I love voice overs especially those that contradict what we're seeing. So the audience essentially gets two POVs or two stories.
                              Ahhh... yeah... I love that sh!t. I love the moment I realize the narrator is FUKKING LYING to me. Awesome!

                              Now THAT is fukking RAD writing IMO.

                              Which gives me ANOTHER idea. What if you LIED to the reader in your character intro. I'd dig that. "Fukking wait... WHAT???... you told me they were sweet. She just butchered the dude. Fukk is going on????" HA! "Nah bruh, I was lying, you fell for it! Nah, they're a fukkin lunatic. This script ain't what you think!" The moment I realize you lied to me, dude I'm ONBOARD. "This writer is playing games with my expectations of what a script IS." YUP... you're catching on!

                              DUDE! AWESOME! WHO DOES THAT? I'ma keep reading.........

                              Rules are for fools!
                              Bruh, fukkin *smooches*! Feel me? Ha!

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                              • #45
                                Re: Note To Gucci: Mazin's Point On "Summing Up Your Characters"

                                Btw - Along those lines, in the opening scene of Michael Clayton when we realize this dude is fukkin nutz, or IS he? BOOM! I'm sold. Fukking rad writing.

                                Scripts like that make me want to burn all of mine. How the fukk did Tony G think to do it that way? Smart!
                                Bruh, fukkin *smooches*! Feel me? Ha!

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