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  • finalact4
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    Originally posted by Mintclub View Post
    Lots of great advice on here. To echo others, don't over think the rep thing. Reach out to as many as possible. Should that lead to a conversation with a potential rep further down the line, then you can see if it feels like a good fit for you.

    In terms of the past relationship, that's a great connection and IMHO I'd approach them with a new spec (not the old one) and ideally have it in the same genre as the one that they dug. Like others have said, definitely mention your last one though to jog their memory. Just my two cents.
    thanks, Mintclub, and everyone who has contributed, i appreciate the sage advice.

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  • Mintclub
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    Lots of great advice on here. To echo others, don't over think the rep thing. Reach out to as many as possible. Should that lead to a conversation with a potential rep further down the line, then you can see if it feels like a good fit for you.

    In terms of the past relationship, that's a great connection and IMHO I'd approach them with a new spec (not the old one) and ideally have it in the same genre as the one that they dug. Like others have said, definitely mention your last one though to jog their memory. Just my two cents.

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  • Mintclub
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    Originally posted by sc111 View Post
    I wonder -- do all the managers solely take projects to the production side of their shingle ?
    Can only speak from my own experiences here. I've had a few managers where their company were also successful prod cos including my current one. Sometimes they'd want to show a project to the development side if they felt it fit their company's remit, sometimes not so much. Never had an impact on us taking it out to folks either way.

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  • GucciGhostXXX
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    Originally posted by Bono View Post
    I would say your best case is to query with the next spec that is in the same genre as Tracker and Wasteland that you said would be ready in a few months. One you said Taken/Salt with female lead, but Salt already had the female lead, so i think I lost you there for a second... Maybe it was Taken meets Salt...

    I don't get the rush to get a manager, since well it's hard anyways and even harder now... might as well wait until you're fully ready.

    I of course am well aware of Tinder and expressed my thoughts on and off the board -- best thing about it is it's brand new material. But I still stand by my querying in a genre you don't love love love isn't the best move for you. What do others think?

    However, if you stick to this plan, I would avoid querying any companies with any connection to Tracker or Wasteland manager wise. I can see reaching to people you already spoke with on production side, but I don't know why the script wasn't optioned during that month... so maybe it's a bad idea.

    In general, querying with new specs is the best way to go. The easiest way.

    I've gone back to the well and like others said it never goes well. How often do couples get back together and it goes well?
    Yup. That!

    I have a script that my buddy (writer/director) is like "bruh, that's you best script. I fukkin love it, keep sending it out." Nah, bro, it's old, moving on. You wanna direct it? Here, fukkin take it bro. I trust you to do whatever you want with it, but I gotta keep it movin'.

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  • GucciGhostXXX
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    Originally posted by finalact4 View Post
    yes, that was one of the sticking points i wanted to keep all rewrite rights. that's not always possible, i understand that, but it they want to give you nothing, you should be able to walk away with the work you did.

    that'll always be something to fight for.
    Honestly, at this point, I don't care. I'm taking the rights with me outright 100%. No offense. It's my sh!t. I wrote this sh!t, not you... bye! I used to be scared to speak up for myself, not no more.

    Just tell them up front "Listen, bruh, any notes I do come with me. Feel me? Cool. Now let's do some shots, what's your fave tequila?"

    I firmly believe this nowadays. As writers we're often WAY too scared of these producers, esp when they're big. They take advantage of our time. LOTS OF TIME! Fukk that. I'm done with that. I've learned the hard way (giving away YEARS for FREE!)

    I'm fUN AF to work with. Not implying to be the "D-Word" (difficult), but you own your work until the day you sell it. Oh, is there a check in my hand, cool, NP, now I'll walk. That, or be a script monkey, your choice.

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  • Bono
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    I would say your best case is to query with the next spec that is in the same genre as Tracker and Wasteland that you said would be ready in a few months. One you said Taken/Salt with female lead, but Salt already had the female lead, so i think I lost you there for a second... Maybe it was Taken meets Salt...

    I don't get the rush to get a manager, since well it's hard anyways and even harder now... might as well wait until you're fully ready.

    I of course am well aware of Tinder and expressed my thoughts on and off the board -- best thing about it is it's brand new material. But I still stand by my querying in a genre you don't love love love isn't the best move for you. What do others think?

    However, if you stick to this plan, I would avoid querying any companies with any connection to Tracker or Wasteland manager wise. I can see reaching to people you already spoke with on production side, but I don't know why the script wasn't optioned during that month... so maybe it's a bad idea.

    In general, querying with new specs is the best way to go. The easiest way.

    I've gone back to the well and like others said it never goes well. How often do couples get back together and it goes well?

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  • finalact4
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    Originally posted by GucciGhostXXX View Post
    Oh, and... you always own the notes outright. Period. The end! You walk, the changes become mine.
    yes, that was one of the sticking points i wanted to keep all rewrite rights. that's not always possible, i understand that, but it they want to give you nothing, you should be able to walk away with the work you did.

    that'll always be something to fight for.

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  • GucciGhostXXX
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    Oh, and... you always own the notes outright. Period. The end! You walk, the changes become mine.

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  • GucciGhostXXX
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    Opinion from an idiot...

    Put a time limit on it. Been there done that with a huge producer. Guess what, these notes went on for over a year. More, more, more, more! The script never went to anyone. Don't do that!

    2 weeks. If that's not sufficient. BYE!

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  • sc111
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    I get it. That's a good question. I never got as far as you havw so I don't know. I wonder -- do all the managers solely take projects to the production side of their shingle ?

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  • finalact4
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    Originally posted by sc111 View Post
    Fa4...
    I'm not clear on what you mean by free rewrites as it relates to working with a manager.

    In my limited experience, at that stage you're tweaking the script prior to the manager shopping the script or going wide.

    The type of notes managers give at this point in the process are usually not "rewrites" in the formal sense.

    Now I have seen other writers say managers requested significant rewrites -- changing major plot points entirely that are indeed a new script/story. Or even changing the concept, again it's a new script. I would refuse these requests too.

    However basic notes like tweaking dialogue, trimming back or expanding a scene for clarity, I don't consider that a rewrite. Just my opinion based on limited experience with managers.
    i totally agree with you. i am 100% willing to do the things you mention above without question. anything to get it ready to market-- i'm fully on board.

    this prodco wanted me to do a set of free rewrites in order to send it out to directors and top talent.

    if a manager from the management side was interested (don't know that they would be) is it possible that the person who runs both the management side and the production side might suggest to a manager their "notes," to get it to the point where they could package it? jeez, it sounds crazy just typing it.

    i'm admitting that i am totally ignorant here. i don't understand how 'separate' or how 'intertwined' a management company is when they have a production arm. i don't pretend to know the ethics.

    i guess, in this case, it would just be considered notes, right?

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  • GucciGhostXXX
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    Originally posted by sc111 View Post
    Fa4...
    I'm not clear on what you mean by free rewrites as it relates to working with a manager.

    In my limited experience, at that stage you're tweaking the script prior to the manager shopping the script or going wide.

    The type of notes managers give at this point in the process are usually not "rewrites" in the formal sense.

    Now I have seen other writers say managers requested significant rewrites -- changing major plot points entirely that are indeed a new script/story. Or even changing the concept, again it's a new script. I would refuse these requests too.

    However basic notes like tweaking dialogue, trimming back or expanding a scene for clarity, I don't consider that a rewrite. Just my opinion based on limited experience with managers.
    Same...

    A page 1? Bye...


    (unless it's like, "this should be a TV show, what do you think?" If I agree, I'm doing it, and just did exactly that.)

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  • sc111
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    Fa4...
    I'm not clear on what you mean by free rewrites as it relates to working with a manager.

    In my limited experience, at that stage you're tweaking the script prior to the manager shopping the script or going wide.

    The type of notes managers give at this point in the process are usually not "rewrites" in the formal sense.

    Now I have seen other writers say managers requested significant rewrites -- changing major plot points entirely that are indeed a new script/story. Or even changing the concept, again it's a new script. I would refuse these requests too.

    However basic notes like tweaking dialogue, trimming back or expanding a scene for clarity, I don't consider that a rewrite. Just my opinion based on limited experience with managers.

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  • GucciGhostXXX
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    I think that's the best way to go.

    Also, you mentioned Adam Kolbrenner's podcast, in it he said one of the things that turns him off is a screenwriter "trying a little bit too hard to sell all their wares." This is why I said DO NOT include your website with all your scripts. He's essentially telling you straight out, don't do it, just hit me with ONE great concept and I'll take a look. He said "Slow down, what's your best script?" There you go, he told you EXACTLY what to do, twice. (not trying to be rude, just say'n)

    I get it, our natural instinct is: "But, but, but... I HAVE MORE! I'M GOOD! HERE'S THE ENTIRE LIST!" But, that approach doesn't work. Turns them off. It's overwhelming and confusing and kinda creepy.

    Notice he also said something to the effect of "WHY ARE YOU THE ONE TO WRITE THIS?" I think if you have a rad answer they'll find it interesting.

    FOR EXAMPLE: On my political drama, here's my inspiration section of the show bible. I think it's fairly compelling. You be the judge. It includes an actual photo of my great uncle in Time Magazine in the White House war room at this very moment I'm describing. He looks pensive and like "My god... what the fukk do we do/say to save America? Everything just changed." My uncle sitting next to Eisenhower, there's a pen in his hand, he's already writing a draft. They both look like "fukk, this is BAD! VERY BAD!"


    INSPIRATION:

    A man I've long admired. My great uncle: Chief speech writer and best friend to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. The State of the Union Address he wrote in 1958 boldly stands out. The Soviet Union's launch of Sputnik had just shocked the world. Time Magazine captured this historic photo of my uncle with Eisenhower in the War Room devising a plan. Stouthearted men with that asphyxiated look in their eyes "What the hell do we do?” Eisenhower trusted my uncle with his life—a humble yet brilliant man. As I put this monumental speech down, hindsight made clear their plan. They had to transition, try something new, untested, risky. Their challenge was to anticipate an unknown future. The moment in history America transitioned from the Cold War to the Technological War. Their assurance to the nation hinted at their bleeding-edge plan. Two months later DARPA was formed. DARPA's brag list reads: started NASA, created GPS, created The Internet etc., to protect National Security. Born in the private sector in order to circumvent governmental bureaucracy. My uncle was on the frontlines of national crisis, not unlike what we are facing today. Together they created a solution. I knew I had to write something as courageous as my uncle, a story about the transition of nations. A story of solutions.

    …After all, it’s in my blood.

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  • finalact4
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    Originally posted by GucciGhostXXX View Post
    Nope... agreed!

    This is a way better email "You liked my script TRACKER. I have a new script called ____ that "NO ONE HAS SEEN." I'm coming to you first, as I love and respect your taste in material."

    That's my email. Some may disagree.
    well, then they have to be set aside. the script i have next is Tinder (rom-com) and it is not like my other material which is much darker in tone. all action thrillers. i would hope to have secured a manager by then.

    i didn't work with the management side. or send Tracker to the managers on the management side. i worked directly with the producer and VP of Acquisition i was hoping it might be something we might be able to engage in again. they did say to send them whatever i have first, but we're still going to have the same problem as i see it, i won't write for free-- at least not when i can be turning out another spec.

    next up is Tinder then a Taken/Salt with a female Lead-- Black Raven. That'll be a couple months, since i'm rewriting Tinder now.

    oh well.

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