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  • cmmora
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    This is a horse that has been beaten more than once. Let's move on.

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  • mariot
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    Originally posted by zenplato View Post
    Sometimes we just have to let it go. Julie is doing the best she can in her eyes; let's leave it at that.

    Tolerance and acceptance.
    She may be doing the best she can in her eyes but I don't need to adopt her vision.

    She states she needs to look into ways to depersonalize and mechanize first round judging.

    What does this mean?

    That a machine will do first round judging next year?

    A person with integrity would state they need to hire a larger number of experienced script readers and give them precise guidelines to follow to ensure every entrant has a fair chance.

    Of course this would eat into their profits.

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  • zenplato
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    Originally posted by mariot View Post
    What do you mean further penance?

    Refunding money obtained under false pretenses isn't penance.

    I'm glad people will be able to get their money back.
    Sometimes we just have to let it go. Julie is doing the best she can in her eyes; let's leave it at that.

    Tolerance and acceptance.

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  • mariot
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    Originally posted by Patrick Sweeney View Post
    I have to say I'm shocked, shocked to discover that some of the people who have been insisting for weeks that all Julie had to do was offer a refund now say that's not good enough and further penance will be required.
    What do you mean further penance?

    Refunding money obtained under false pretenses isn't penance.

    I'm glad people will be able to get their money back.

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  • KatCas
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    I was one of this year's entrants, hey it's the reason I joined this forum. After all the hooha about it I ended up following the zazzo thread, which was highly entertaining, and then Jeff Lowell(?) said he would continue it on one on one .. anyway I digress.
    So she's obviously a deeply flawed character (aren't they always the best?) but I think this is a good thing she's done. I'm drawing a line under this. I can sort of understand if others don't want to but she's only human folks.

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  • Telly
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    Originally posted by Patrick Sweeney View Post
    I have to say I'm shocked, shocked to discover that some of the people who have been insisting for weeks that all Julie had to do was offer a refund now say that's not good enough and further penance will be required.
    Hell hath no fury like a DD'r scorned

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  • Patrick Sweeney
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    I have to say I'm shocked, shocked to discover that some of the people who have been insisting for weeks that all Julie had to do was offer a refund now say that's not good enough and further penance will be required.

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  • NikeeGoddess
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  • mariot
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    Originally posted by lordmanji View Post
    the refund. the entirety of her post. or do you want to see a picture of her on her knees, hands clasped while being whipped with a big "I'm sorry" caption?
    We disagree. I don't see her post as an apology. I see it as a way to prevent a fraud investigation and a last attempt to preserve her contest and her consulting business.

    She refers to rumors both wild and wildly inaccurate.

    She says her contest was a "mom and pop business" (which I guess is a variation of a mom and daughter business).

    She refers to first round judging quite a bit. Yet she posted here at dd that Margaux was not a first round judge.

    She refers to a publicly bitter script reader. She does not mention the procedure used by that reader closely matched her own reading/judging procedure that had been posted on her website (and which was copied here).

    She doesn't apologize for her huffpo article in which she took no responsibility and attacked her customers and contest entrants.

    By the way, in the very first thread on this topic I said she should offer refunds. That was a very long time ago. Before the huffpo piece. Before she got a lawyer to send GIG a letter.

    Now that she has a lawyer involved she is suddenly offering refunds. Sounds like legal strategy which is not the same as an apology or an admission of wrongdoing.

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  • lordmanji
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    Originally posted by mariot View Post
    Where did she admit she was wrong? I must have missed that. Thanks.
    the refund. the entirety of her post. or do you want to see a picture of her on her knees, hands clasped while being whipped with a big "I'm sorry" caption?


    Originally posted by timetowrite View Post

    The Buck Stops Here

    Hello, everyone. For any of you who may be following the online controversy, aspersion has been cast upon the first round judging criteria and methodology of The Silver Screenwriting Competition. Some of the rumors have been wild and some wildly inaccurate but the bottom line is with a competition that has grown as quickly as ours has, we do need to take a look at methods to depersonalize and mechanize the first round judging. We’ve gone from a very mom and pop business to one much, much larger and comprehensive. With that growth comes more responsibility and constant re-evaluation of how we get our judging done.

    It doesn’t matter how these rumors got started, by whom or for what reason, what matters is that I am the boss and I take responsibility for what is said – good and bad. I stand by my competition, my script coverage business, each and every reader and judge that I employ. I only work with the best and the long history and reputation we have at The Script Department attests to that.

    But one thing is crystal clear: The Silver Screenwriting Competition has grown exponentially and it’s time for us to address first round judging in a new way. Anyone who has spent two minutes or less with me personally knows that I am a professional and one of the kindest, most honest people you will ever meet in your life. Unfair and untrue accusations hurt more for that reason. But I do see that mistakes were made and I do not shy away from my responsibility to every writer who submitted. It is our intention at the Silver Screenwriting Competition to be as thorough and professional as any other competition out there if not better. This controversy has raised the bar for all first round judging everywhere.

    If you have concerns about the competition, you are welcome to call my private office number 323-300-6051 between the hours of 10am and 4pm Mon-Fri and have a dialogue with me. If any entrant would like a full refund, you will receive it promptly. If you would like to send me your script and discuss it over the phone or Skype, I am at your service. You can email me by clicking HERE.

    Please note: I will be out of town from September 2nd through the 6th for the Labor Day weekend.

    We are announcing the top ten scripts tomorrow, on schedule, and each and every one of us here, but primarily me, Julie Gray wants to let you know that we run this competition with heart and integrity and if a reader was publicly bitter about the process, if some of you have been misled to think that your entry fee is a coverage fee rather than an administrative fee, it is my responsibility to make that right. It is more important to me to run both my personal and business affairs with integrity than it is to wonder who is saying what and what their agenda is. I have one agenda. To do right by every writer who entered. I do not give credence to malicious rumor, only to the essence hidden within them – something needs to change.
    Again, please call (323-300-6051) or email for a full refund or with any questions or concerns you may have.

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  • TheKeenGuy
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    Originally posted by mariot View Post
    Did you get your grid? According to some posts that was supposed to be provided to every entrant. It is easy to see why that would cause someone to believe their entire script would be read.
    Yes, I e-mailed and asked about it. They sent it a few days later. Quite basic, wouldn't prove anything to those inclined to believe (for whatever reason) that their script wasn't given a fair shot. Good enough for me, though.

    I am curious to know if anyone received one yet without asking for it.

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  • mariot
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    Originally posted by lordmanji View Post
    i say give her a break. once someone admits theyre wrong, its not kind to keep picking on them.
    Where did she admit she was wrong? I must have missed that. Thanks.

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  • lordmanji
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    i say give her a break. once someone admits theyre wrong, its not kind to keep picking on them.

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  • mariot
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    Originally posted by TheKeenGuy View Post
    I was an entrant this year, but I'm not going to ask for a refund simply because I believe the practices of their contest are no different than most contests. It's just that in this case, they did a poor job of handling the PR when people learned about the disorganization (as a result of insufficient resources) of this specific contest, not understanding that it's not at all specific to this contest.

    Whether the screenplay content process in general should be more transparent or run differently is one thing, and that's a conversation there's been no shortage of on this board, and it will continue. But I would feel weird asking for a refund when I have no reason to believe that SilverScreenwriting conducted business any differently than the majority of contests running this year. I know NicholL is an exception, but I can't think of any other contest with provably higher standards.

    The only thing I am upset about is the Huffington Post article that Julie wrote in response to the controversy titled "What's the Deal with Cyber-Jerks?," which I felt was an unfair, retaliatory attempt to besmirch everyone here at Done Deal, and was not becoming of the kindest and most honest person I will ever meet in my life.

    I can understand her anger at the time, but not the response, and that's what I wish she would apologize for. But my disappointment about that is no reason to ask for a refund.
    Did you get your grid? According to some posts that was supposed to be provided to every entrant. It is easy to see why that would cause someone to believe their entire script would be read.

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  • sc111
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    Originally posted by Telly View Post
    All I know is right now, she's reading this thread thinking, "damn, I just can't catch a break with these guys."


    I suspect she's too busy processing refunds. It appears she did not specify which year's contest is eligible for refunds -- people could be demanding refunds dating back to the very first SSC. What a PR mess - one could almost feel bad for her if not for the fact much of this -- especially the snarky huffpo blog -- was a result of her own very public errors in judgment.

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