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  • Anagram
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by gregbeal View Post
    Sorry about that - except someone somewhere is going to have to react to your script in similar fashion if you expect to move forward with your career. And then another person and another . . .
    Hehe no need to apologize, I'm just venting a little stress.

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  • gregbeal
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by Anagram View Post
    I don't know if this is just me, but is anyone else finding the reader feedback disheartening?

    All that goes through my head is, damn, those are some pretty glowing comments. How's my script going to compete?!

    But I dont want them to stop, I know it's just a little self-doubt.

    Got to sack up.
    Sorry about that - except someone somewhere is going to have to react to your script in similar fashion if you expect to move forward with your career. And then another person and another . . .

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  • gregbeal
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by iggy View Post
    Re: Wordcloud

    Does the Romantic category include romantic comedies and romantic dramas? Are there 2 different genres lumped together there?

    Thanks.
    The Word Cloud was created by my colleague Joan Wai.

    A slight misnomer in that it doesn't exclusively display genres. Rather it displays instances of the 21 genre words that appear in the Nicholl application's primary and secondary genre fields.

    Thus "romantic" and "dark" are modifiers associated with a primary genre selected by the entrant, most often comedy or drama.

    The Word Cloud is a representation of the number of times each of the 21 genre words was selected by entrants.

    Perhaps I'll ask her to produce a cloud that only displays the ten primary genres. I know she's planning to produce a cloud displaying Nicholl-winning script genres.

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  • iggy
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    Re: Wordcloud

    Does the Romantic category include romantic comedies and romantic dramas? Are there 2 different genres lumped together there?

    Thanks.

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  • Anagram
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    Originally posted by JoJo View Post
    Check out the "word cloud" Greg posted on FB. It shows the percentage of genres entered in the Nicholl so far:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater
    Interesting. I wonder how "Dark" is defined, and how it's different from Horror.

    I don't know if this is just me, but is anyone else finding the reader feedback disheartening?

    All that goes through my head is, damn, those are some pretty glowing comments. How's my script going to compete?!

    But I dont want them to stop, I know it's just a little self-doubt.

    Got to sack up.
    Last edited by Anagram; 04-12-2012, 06:18 AM.

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  • figment
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by JoJo View Post

    And how serious is he about a writing career if he spends most of his time here having a pissing contest with Jeff, and not working on his next project?
    How serious is Jeff? Pot to kettle.

    I'm starting to hate the term "pro" -- its flung around here very often as if it implies all-knowing instead of having individual experiences, which may not be another's experience (pro or not).

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  • JoJo
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    Check out the "word cloud" Greg posted on FB. It shows the percentage of genres entered in the Nicholl so far:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater

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  • JoJo
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by Rhodi View Post
    That's a below the belt comment. As Jeff has acknowledged, Aspirant provides some excellent advice for up and coming writers on landing representation and working with managers.

    Looks like attention-seeking behavior to me by putting himself forth as an expert when all he does is parrot his rep's advice to him, and then insist that advice applies to all of us and says we're all fools for not believing every word he says.

    And how serious is he about a writing career if he spends most of his time here having a pissing contest with Jeff, and not working on his next project?

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  • Shaken_Vesper
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    I find it funny that there's an 8-page argument over whether there should be 2 spaces after a full stop or not.

    I have a script I wrote with a fantastic co-writer that is being packaged as we speak. Close to two-dozen industry people have read (and mostly liked) our little script. Production assistants, producers, agents, managers, directors, and actors have read it. We've had notes out the wazoo and up the Yin Yang. Seems like everybody and their secretary has had ideas on how to improve or tweak the script.

    Not one single note pertained to our use of one space after a full stop. Allow me to broaden my statement a bit: Not one single note or comment from anyone who has read our script, from industry folks to grandma, has pertained to formatting of any kind.

    Allow that to sink in a bit.

    Perhaps our formatting is just that rock solid. But considering the large range of formatting choices available out there for every minute detail, you'd think we'd have put a bur up someone's patookiss if industry folks cared about formatting as much as some of you claim. Every single formatting "suggestion" I've received for any of my scripts have all come from random people on the Internet with unverified credentials.

    The only real guidelines are these:

    1. Write a good story with well-drawn characters.

    2. Get the general formatting down and you're gonna be fine. Minute formatting details be damned if you have bullet #1 locked down tight. Your script is gonna be rewritten before production anyway. If you want to focus on the minute formatting details, then create your own consistent style and run with it.

    3. You can ignore bullet #2 sometimes when you feel like it... and on Fridays. **** Formatting Fridays.

    There are broad trends that you can follow in screenwriting, but that just helps suggest that there are no hard rules if they are so fluid as to form "trends."
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    Last edited by Shaken_Vesper; 04-11-2012, 09:42 PM.

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  • nojustice
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    And please leave me out of this now. I don't really want to join in the conversation. I don't have any advice for anyone.

    As far as screenwriting rules go:

    Separate scenes with sluglines, a new shot gets a new sentence, and only describe what is being seen and heard.

    Other than that, there are no rules that I've ever heard of. Another writer once told me that it's good to spend some time letting the audience get to know your main character, and I think it was a tip that served me well, but I don't think it's a rule.

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  • nojustice
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    Well, it was in one of those fashionable older theaters, where they sometimes show more commercial films. But mostly art house.

    I've had a bit on tv. A short series. Some animation that had an international release.

    I found my early experiences of seeing my work on a screen painful. Maybe painful isn't the right word. Shockingly painful. Maybe devastating is better.

    All of your mistakes, right there, in technicolor. All at once. For everyone to see. But I'm still uncomfortable seeing my own work.

    Maybe I'm just tortured.

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  • Aspirant
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by Rhodi View Post
    A quick question - you've still been writing other specs in the meantime, right? Or are you full time on this project with your reps?
    Rhodi: to answer your question, yes, when I'm not making seemingly-endless revisions to my current script, interacting with my reps, or playing God here on Done Deal (apologies to JoJo), I have been working on my next spec, which is always a good idea.

    HH is right. This has gone on long enough -- too long, in fact -- and it's the wrong thread. I'm sorry for perpetuating it. Sometimes once you get drawn into these things, it's hard to get out. If Jeff or anyone else wants to have the last word, it's all yours. I'm done.

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  • ATB
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    Originally posted by nojustice View Post
    The thing is, about getting paid, the outcome of getting paid is seeing your work on a screen. There is another whole consciousness of the craft that opens up with that.
    So you're saying you've seen your work on the silver screen, then, right?

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  • gregbeal
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by docgonzo View Post
    Question for Greg...

    Not sure if this has already been asked, since I skipped over a number of pages (for obvious reasons), but would it be a good idea to submit a newer, better draft of what I submitted last year? Are there any disadvantages to this or will it be treated as if it were a new entry?

    Of course I'll be submitting a fresh script as well; just wanted to know if this would be worth the money and effort.

    Thanks.
    Every script, whether it's a first-time entry or has been entered ten times previously, is treated the same.

    With prior entries, we try to make sure that they're not read by a reader or judge who has read them previously. If a writer enters with the exact same title, the system excludes them from the potential pool of scripts that can be assigned to a reader who has read the script before. If a writer enters a previously entered script with a new title, the system warns us when a reader has read the writer before, and we won't assign the script to that reader.

    Many writers have done quite well with resubmitted scripts, including a number of Nicholl winners. Many writers have also not fared so well with resubmitted scripts, often despite being certain that the new draft is much better than the earlier version.

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  • Rhodi
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by JoJo View Post
    Seems like he's been too busy being the Voice of God here on DD to get anything done.
    That's a below the belt comment. As Jeff has acknowledged, Aspirant provides some excellent advice for up and coming writers on landing representation and working with managers.

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