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    gregbeal
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by justin View Post
    My recollection is that last year it was the average score in the first two reads which determined whether a script got a third read. Will that be the case this year - even if one reader gives a script a very high mark and the other gives it a very low mark, producing an average too low to get a third read? This would mean that a single reader could still sink a great script - if the high mark was the 'right' one.
    Your description is not correct.

    It is not the average of the first two reads that determines a third read. It is the high score of the first two reads that determines the third read.

    Essentially, it's best one of two reads to determine third read.

    Then, best two of three reads to determine quarterfinalists.

    Next, best five of six reads to determine semifinalists.

    Finally, best eight of ten reads to determine finalists.

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  • gregbeal
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    Originally posted by NikeeGoddess View Post
    can a reader rate an early read (being tough on it) and then go back and change the scores... after reading 50 scripts that are not as good?
    Yes, readers are allowed to adjust scores at any point if they feel the adjustment will make their scores more accurate.

    We ask the readers to strive for consistency throughout the competition.

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  • justin
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    My recollection is that last year it was the average score in the first two reads which determined whether a script got a third read. Will that be the case this year - even if one reader gives a script a very high mark and the other gives it a very low mark, producing an average too low to get a third read? This would mean that a single reader could still sink a great script - if the high mark was the 'right' one.

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  • NikeeGoddess
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    thanks greg. yeah, new people enter the arena every year so you'll have to keep repeating yourself.

    and... in other words, just send in a script that is blindingly good and the reader won't be able to see the words of any other script.
    OR
    can a reader rate an early read (being tough on it) and then go back and change the scores... after reading 50 scripts that are not as good?

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  • acquaformosa
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    Greg, just a quick thanks for the time and energy you devote to answering our questions and your efforts at always trying to provide substantive feedback and information regarding the Nicholl Fellowship.

    I think we sometimes take your participation on this board for granted since we seldom see the same level of involvement from other competitions.

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  • JoJo
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Originally posted by gregbeal View Post


    In other words, negatives and positives are possible for any reader at any point in the competition.
    Thought so... thanks for the wealth of info... I'm still polishing/tweaking - but will get it in before the (Beware the Ides of March!) early deadline.

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  • brubenow
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    Nice to have two readers for each first round script- like the change.

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  • gregbeal
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    Originally posted by NikeeGoddess View Post
    Greg -- do you send out scripts to readers as they come in or wait until the deadline to sort and send?

    I'm thinking if you send them out as they come in then the readers can read more at their leisure and the crowd of scripts coming in the last 3 days may get in the "rushed" pile. Please don't give the politically correct answer. Tell the truth so people can decide whether to send their scripts in early... or tweak it until the last day because it doesn't matter.
    I believe I've addressed this question in this forum a number of times over the years. Let me do it again.

    There is no "rush" period. It is a little slower for individual readers when each begins because we build gradually into larger stacks. But the most scripts we ever assign is 24 a week, in separate groups of 12. A reader must finish a previously assigned stack before she will receive a new stack. Thus "full-time" Nicholl readers are judging 24 scripts most weeks throughout the competition. Many readers, though, are not reading "full-time" and only judge 8 or 12 or 16 scripts in a week.

    As I've mentioned previously, other factors may be at work. Some readers may be a little tougher early in the competition, leaving "room" for higher scoring scripts they expect to come later. With scripts read later in the competition, it is possible that an individual reader will already have seen a script in the same genre dealing with similar subject matter. The second script may not seem as "fresh" as the script read earlier. Last year, there seemed to be a good number of zombie and vampire scripts. It is possible that some horror "specialist" readers (which means that they might have been assigned one horror script in every batch of 12 scripts) could have grown increasingly weary of vampires and zombies over the course of the competition.

    Once the May 1 deadline passes, we also continuously mix early and middle and later submissions in every batch of 12. At that point, it doesn't matter when you entered - with the exception of scripts entered in the last hour or two prior to the deadline. Those will mostly be among the last scripts read during the first round.

    In other words, negatives and positives are possible for any reader at any point in the competition.

    The one suggestion I always make is not to wait until the final few hours. Even then, it doesn't really matter, as scripts entered early, in the middle and late have advanced in the competition.

    Given that we're reading every script at least twice, that may change all of the above slightly. For instance, we could read every script once and then begin all of the second reads. If so, then the second reads will be totally mixed in terms of first score and arrival date. Or we might be assigning second reads simultaneously with first reads in order to keep readers reading prior to the May 1 deadline. We won't know this until we see how submissions arrive and reading unfolds.

    My advice: if your script is finished and you're no longer tweaking, enter near the early March 15 deadline to take advantage of the lower entry fee. If you aren't ready for the early deadline, then enter in the area of April 25-29, so that you have plenty of time to tweak and so that you won't be among the last 1500 or so entries.

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  • Aspirant
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    Originally posted by Rhodi View Post
    I think there is an unfair implication in your question. I don't think Greg has been anything other than totally honest in his responses and, as has been pointed out, the answer to your question is in the Nicholl Fellowship FAQs.
    I agree with this. Obviously, Nicholl, like any screenwriting contest, wants to try to space out submissions as much as possible, for logistical and administrative reasons, which is why they encourage early entries and provide discounts for same. And, just as obviously, many writers, due to procrastination or perfectionism, ignore those pleas and inducements and wait until the last week, day, hour, or minute to submit their scripts. But a reputable contest like Nicholl would never say that scripts submitted early have an advantage, or that scripts submitted during the last-minute "crush" will be given short shrift, because they endeavor to judge all scripts fairly, regardless of when they're submitted. To suggest otherwise is to question the integrity of the contest.

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  • Rhodi
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    Originally posted by NikeeGoddess View Post
    Please don't give the politically correct answer. Tell the truth so people can decide whether to send their scripts in early... or tweak it until the last day because it doesn't matter.
    I think there is an unfair implication in your question. I don't think Greg has been anything other than totally honest in his responses and, as has been pointed out, the answer to your question is in the Nicholl Fellowship FAQs.

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  • Aspirant
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    JoJo: you were right the first time -- you're overthinking it :-) For all you know, your script might benefit more from a "peak time" read than a "slow time" read. There's no reason to assume that scripts submitted closer to the deadline will do worse; or, more specifically, that readers under greater time pressure tend to give lower scores than readers who have longer to reflect. Just get your script into the best possible shape, submit it, and hope for the best. That's all you can do.

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  • Richmond Weems
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    Originally posted by Manchester View Post
    So, I should send it in and then decide if it's ready?
    If you want.

    HH

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  • figment
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    http://www.facebook.com/NichollFellowships

    Looks like Greg is also answering questions on the Nicholl Facebook wall as well. You don't have to be a member of Facebook to view the page.

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  • Manchester
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    Originally posted by haroldhecuba View Post
    Stop worrying about WHEN to send it in. Just send it in when it's ready, and before the deadline.

    HH

    So, I should send it in and then decide if it's ready?

    SNL: Don't Buy Stuff You Can't Afford

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  • Richmond Weems
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    Stop worrying about WHEN to send it in. Just send it in when it's ready, and before the deadline.

    HH

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