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    sixridgeroad
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  • sixridgeroad
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    Re: Nicholl Fellowship 2012 open for submissions

    Does anyone have a more precise sense as to when the quarterfinalists will be notified?

    Site says late July, but there's a lot of back and forth on Facebook which I'm not privy to (seeing as I'm not on FB). I'm wondering if people's direct timetable questions are being answered there.

    Good luck to everyone! Very exciting for those of us with our work at stake, no?

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  • JoJo
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    I say time for a new thread when they announce the QFs!

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  • Hilander
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    Actually this thread was supposed to be all about this:

    Originally posted by figment View Post
    Maybe it can be again when they announce the quarter-finalists.

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  • Vertigo51
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    Originally posted by jtwg50 View Post
    This entire thread is absurd. The simple and obvious reason for the difference is that fewer women aspire to writing scripts. Period. That can easily be surmised from the fact that the Nicholl is open to anyone -- worldwide. And very well promoted in terms of attracting entrants.
    Therefore, since the numbers show a disproportionate percentage of male writers, it's not too hard to figure out that fewer women have written and submitted scripts. Period.
    To think there's an issue here worthy of debate and discussion is just ridiculous -- unless, of course, you think the Nicholl and other major contests somehow are preventing women from entering. But that's a different thread altogether.
    While I agree with you that the simple reason there are more male entrants is simply because more men aspired to enter the contest, I don't think there was anything wrong with asking the question in the first place.

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  • jtwg50
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    This entire thread is absurd. The simple and obvious reason for the difference is that fewer women aspire to writing scripts. Period. That can easily be surmised from the fact that the Nicholl is open to anyone -- worldwide. And very well promoted in terms of attracting entrants.
    Therefore, since the numbers show a disproportionate percentage of male writers, it's not too hard to figure out that fewer women have written and submitted scripts. Period.
    To think there's an issue here worthy of debate and discussion is just ridiculous -- unless, of course, you think the Nicholl and other major contests somehow are preventing women from entering. But that's a different thread altogether.

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  • ChadStrohl
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  • ChadStrohl
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    Originally posted by Anagram View Post
    I don't know enough about the inner workings of Hollywood to say if there is or isn't a bias.

    But don't theories that say men and women think and write differently (emotion vs action, Mars vs Venus) just justify any perceived imbalance?

    Why stress the differences between us, especially when they're just theoretical? I don't see why a woman couldn't write a brutally violent swords and sand epic, and why a man couldn't write a deeply emotional relationship drama.

    The differences should just come down to personal strengths. I wouldn't write a romantic comedy, but that's not because I'm a man, or action driven, or not in touch with relationships and romance.
    Your right Anagram. Very little in this world is truly black or white. I'm sure anybody can do anything they put their minds to. But it's naive to think that everybody is equal in all ways just because society demands us to think that way. And there's no shame in differences.

    If a market exists, I can fairly safely say that it has nothing to do with biases or preconcieved notions. Market analysis doesn't care what color someone skin tone is or what gender they might be. The market doesn't even see people. It sees dollar signs.

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  • Dr. Gonzo
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    Just waiting for August to roll around...

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  • figment
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    So... Greg...

    How's the reading coming? FAQ say it's usually completed mid-July.

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  • Anagram
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    I don't know enough about the inner workings of Hollywood to say if there is or isn't a bias.

    But don't theories that say men and women think and write differently (emotion vs action, Mars vs Venus) just justify any perceived imbalance?

    Why stress the differences between us, especially when they're just theoretical? I don't see why a woman couldn't write a brutally violent swords and sand epic, and why a man couldn't write a deeply emotional relationship drama.

    The differences should just come down to personal strengths. I wouldn't write a romantic comedy, but that's not because I'm a man, or action driven, or not in touch with relationships and romance.

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  • ChadStrohl
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  • ChadStrohl
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    Originally posted by JoJo View Post
    Seems to me there are more "rules" in screenwriting - that whole three-act structure thing, inciting incident, etc. than there are in writing novels. Men tend to balk at rules, so you'd think they'd shy away from screenwriting whereas more women would take to it.


    I find that most first screenplays and novels (including mine!) are thinly veiled autobiographical clap-trap, and that applies to men as well as women.
    Actually, I think that's a perfect example of the Mars/Venus conciet.

    Men see the "rules" more as targets. Women are better at novels because they can explore the idea without boundaries.

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  • JoJo
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    Seems to me there are more "rules" in screenwriting - that whole three-act structure thing, inciting incident, etc. than there are in writing novels. Men tend to balk at rules, so you'd think they'd shy away from screenwriting whereas more women would take to it.


    I find that most first screenplays and novels (including mine!) are thinly veiled autobiographical clap-trap, and that applies to men as well as women.

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  • ChadStrohl
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  • ChadStrohl
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    If you agree with the whole Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus stuff, it does say that men and women think differently. The only thing I remember specifically is that men tend to be linear thinkers and women circular thinkers.

    A man sees a goal, a threat, a target, and goes straight at it without much thought, whereas a woman will build up an emotional bubble around the decision. It's why we men got killed by a lot of sabre-toothed tigers, I imagine.

    So in that context, I would say that screenplays represent a direct approach and novels the more circular. Not all. Just most. My girlfriend absolutely loves Bollywood and Indie films. I want Die Hard (or similar).

    The last movie we went and saw together was Snow White and The Huntsman. To me, that movie failed because it tried to play both sides without ever actually succeeding at either. I'm not even really sure I know what theme they were going for, but it had the opportunity to tackle issues that women find real to them (I assume) with the concept of beauty, what men find desirable, body image, growing old, jealousy, what rules the world - a pretty face or a strong sword arm.

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  • Richmond Weems
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    Originally posted by muser777 View Post
    But why are women more drawn to novel writing than screenwriting? I'd say because authoring a novel is a more personal process.

    And more a process. The focus is less on what happens with it once its complete, less about you the writer.

    Might be reaching a little here, though.
    No, I think that's a pretty good point. I was going to say something to that effect, too.

    I will say this, though, that there probably is a bias towards women in certain genres. I've known a couple of female writers (one who is absolutely a great writer--seriously, it fvcking pisses me off how good she is and she's still not published) who couldn't get the time of day for certain pieces until they started using their initials.

    On the other hand, I know a white male novelist who wrote a story from a black man's point of view, and his agent refused to try to sell it 'cause the writer wasn't black. (The novelist dumped the agent, and found another one who understood what 'fiction' meant, and later sold the piece.)

    Hell, Joe Lansdale had a hard time selling his first novel 'cause it was from the point of view of a black detective, and he refused to change it.

    Um, sorry for getting off the topic of screenwriting. Anyway, my own personal opinion is that screenwriting is less personal than novel writing, and that, generally speaking, women tend to be more inward-looking than men, which leads to novel writing and poetry as opposed to the more visual medium of screenwriting.

    Yeah, that sounds sexist, but, hey, it's an opinion. If you've got facts or stats that say differently, please share.

    HH (who's probably read too much Steven Pinker and agreed with him)

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  • muser777
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    But why are women more drawn to novel writing than screenwriting? I'd say because authoring a novel is a more personal process.

    And more a process. The focus is less on what happens with it once its complete, less about you the writer.

    Might be reaching a little here, though.

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  • muser777
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    Originally posted by MrZero View Post
    It seems to be a common belief that women are "more verbal"--and therefore better writers--than men, but I don't see any real-world evidence for this, especially at the higher levels of achievement. For example, more boys than girls achieve a perfect score on the verbal portion of the SAT test.
    School educational studies show women on the whole perform better academically than men. However, the absolute top performers are always men; as are the absolute worst performers. (Men populate the tail of these stats much more than they do the head, though.) I don't remember reading any convincing studies on different forms of intellectual aptitudes between genders.

    As to the question of why fewer women are aspiring screenwriters (as opposed to successful - that's another question), I put this down to men being more prone to chasing socially high-status roles. I have a couple of professional friends in artistic positions who share the same differences with their wives. The men in both cases can't stop scratching the itch of chasing success (one of a musician, the other of a Director/DP). Their wives can't understand why their husbands don't feel they've achieved enough already - as in both cases the lads have done pretty well. The husbands are at a complete loss why their wives don't support them more, or why the wives are so contented with their own career achievements to date (both women are just as successful as their respective husbands, one of them in the film industry too).

    Screenwriting and other such 'status-jobs' draw dream-chasers, and more men are like this. We see a script sale as an overnight vaulting up the social ladder - which to be honest it is. We are prepared to invest years in chasing that achievement and, in our lust for the approval that success would bestow, we completely ignore the odds of failure. That takes a special kind of single-mindedness. Not necessarily a healthy one.

    I'd say a lot of western women are slowly starting to think in these terms too (can we see the men-women American Nicoll submissions?) - but the rest of the globe's female population is way behind in their appetite for personal glory (I prefer to see it that they are keeping themselves 'ahead,' but I'm yet to meet a woman that agrees with this way of looking at it).
    Last edited by muser777; 07-14-2012, 01:20 AM.

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