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  • opie
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    Originally posted by UpandComing View Post
    None of these factors changes the fact that the note was inappropriate, and therefore unprofessional.
    As is Koller's (and others) ongoing gratuitous dragging of Nicholl through the mud.

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  • Margie Kaptanoglu
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  • Margie Kaptanoglu
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    Originally posted by UpandComing View Post
    Geez, there are so many weak arguments being thrown around in defense of this reader's note. It's the sound of people grabbing at straws.

    It doesn't matter that the script is a raunchy sex comedy.

    It doesn't matter that the title of the script is "The Big D".

    It doesn't matter whether the reader was male or female.

    It doesn't matter that the reader didn't know the gender of the writer.

    It doesn't matter that the reader may have been attempting to make a joke. Or that the reader may have been attempting to match the tone of the script.

    It doesn't matter if the reader ultimately give a positive note.

    None of these factors changes the fact that the note was inappropriate, and therefore unprofessional. Everything else is moot.

    Just because you personally didn't take offense to it, doesn't mean it didn't fall below a certain standard that is recognizable by most.
    +1

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  • UpandComing
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  • UpandComing
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    Geez, there are so many weak arguments being thrown around in defense of this reader's note. It's the sound of people grabbing at straws.

    It doesn't matter that the script is a raunchy sex comedy.

    It doesn't matter that the title of the script is "The Big D".

    It doesn't matter whether the reader was male or female.

    It doesn't matter that the reader didn't know the gender of the writer.

    It doesn't matter that the reader may have been attempting to make a joke. Or that the reader may have been attempting to match the tone of the script.

    It doesn't matter if the reader ultimately give a positive note.

    None of these factors changes the fact that the note was inappropriate, and therefore unprofessional. Everything else is moot.

    Just because you personally didn't take offense to it, doesn't mean it didn't fall below a certain standard that is recognizable by most.

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  • opie
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    Originally posted by WaitForIt View Post
    So let's dismiss it.
    I think that would be a good choice at this point.

    Originally posted by WaitForIt View Post
    Let's also dismiss the Nicholl admin insisting that the writer include the title of her script.
    Good idea, since it was only suggested.

    One of the other great aspects of the Nicholl Fellowship at risk is the interaction with program leaders we had here on Done Deal Pro Forums. I would not be surprised if this personal exposure play and subsequent absurd witch hunt jeopardizes that as well. I hope not.
    Last edited by opie; 08-27-2015, 06:00 AM.

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  • figment
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    Originally posted by StoryWriter View Post
    Personally, by what little I do know, I think it would be odd to give the script a positive review and then intentionally insult the author (gender unknown at the time).
    That was my take as well.


    Okay, I'm done now.

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  • figment
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    Originally posted by opie View Post
    That's not what happened. As I understand it, the reader gave this person a good score in spite of what they expressed (in an inappropriate way, IMO) as weakness in the story, which is fundamentally what writers seek in feedback.
    This. Yes, heck, yes!!

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  • WaitForIt
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  • WaitForIt
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    Originally posted by StoryWriter View Post
    Yes, that's EXACTLY the same thing as the reviewer (gender unknown) giving the author of a "raunchy sex comedy", whose gender was unknown at the time, a good review and then making a suggestion (possibly as a joke) that the script might make a good porno.

    The fact is, probably none of us at Done Deal knows enough to make an informed comment on this (that includes me). So it's probably best to stop hyper-leaping to cliched conclusions.

    Personally, by what little I do know, I think it would be odd to give the script a positive review and then intentionally insult the author (gender unknown at the time).
    No, it's not exactly the same, because it's not exactly the same, is it? So let's dismiss it. Let's also dismiss the Nicholl admin insisting that the writer include the title of her script. If that was Greg, I will be sick. Was it you, Greg?

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  • StoryWriter
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  • StoryWriter
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    Originally posted by WaitForIt View Post
    So the fact that the person saying those things saw them as positive isn't problematic at all.

    Just like a boss gropes his secretary and then gives her a promotion. What does she have to complain about? Her skirt was too short anyway, so maybe he thought she'd be down for that. Of course he didn't have to ask. He didn't mean anything by it. It's totally okay to grope women where he comes from. That's just how this town is. If you don't like it, don't come to work. Now, gee, why aren't as many women trying to work here? Let's flap our jaws about that for a while.
    Yes, that's EXACTLY the same thing as the reviewer (gender unknown) giving the author of a "raunchy sex comedy", whose gender was unknown at the time, a good review and then making a suggestion (possibly as a joke) that the script might make a good porno.

    The fact is, probably none of us at Done Deal knows enough to make an informed comment on this (that includes me). So it's probably best to stop hyper-leaping to cliched conclusions.

    Personally, by what little I do know, I think it would be odd to give the script a positive review and then intentionally insult the author (gender unknown at the time).

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  • opie
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    Originally posted by WaitForIt View Post
    So the fact that the person saying those things saw them as positive isn't problematic at all.
    That's not what happened. As I understand it, the reader gave this person a good score in spite of what they expressed (in an inappropriate way, IMO) as weakness in the story, which is fundamentally what writers seek in feedback.

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  • WaitForIt
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  • WaitForIt
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    Originally posted by figment View Post
    She wasn't jokingly dismissed, she was given a POSITIVE SCORE that helped propel her script into quarterfinal status.

    May we all have such "dismissal."

    Since she was writing a drunken sex comedy with an obscene title, perhaps the reader thought his/her last line was a joke, or would be seen as fun. I don't know. But that's just it -- we haven't heard from that reader. But since she/he gave it a positive score, they didn't "dismiss it," nor did they dismiss the female writer -- which, by the way, they don't know if the writer is male or female.
    So the fact that the person saying those things saw them as positive isn't problematic at all.

    Just like a boss gropes his secretary and then gives her a promotion. What does she have to complain about? Her skirt was too short anyway, so maybe he thought she'd be down for that. Of course he didn't have to ask. He didn't mean anything by it. It's totally okay to grope women where he comes from. That's just how this town is. If you don't like it, don't come to work. Now, gee, why aren't as many women trying to work here? Let's flap our jaws about that for a while.

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  • datahog
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    Originally posted by StoryWriter View Post
    I'm absolutely convinced that a growing percentage of the people in the United States wake up each morning with the intention of finding at least one thing to be offended by before the end of the day.
    Can't we all just get a bong?

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  • opie
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    Originally posted by StoryWriter View Post
    I'm absolutely convinced that a growing percentage of the people in the United States wake up each morning with the intention of finding at least one thing to be offended by before the end of the day.
    I find that offensive.

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  • boudiccarules
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  • boudiccarules
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    Originally posted by carcar View Post
    I doubt it, too.
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  • StoryWriter
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  • StoryWriter
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    Originally posted by bjamin View Post
    people get offended over the stupidest ****.
    I'm absolutely convinced that a growing percentage of the people in the United States wake up each morning with the intention of finding at least one thing to be offended by before the end of the day.

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  • carcar
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    I doubt it, too.

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