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  • opie
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    Originally posted by BKDodger View Post
    The pervasive idea that women's stories are less worthy of receiving cultural prominence needs to end.
    Pervasive idea of whom?

    Originally posted by BKDodger View Post
    The Zeitgeist. I'm confused - are you looking for an actual name?
    I guess I live in a different Zeitgeist. I'd like to know where that idea comes from. That the majority of writers are men certainly doesn't prove it.

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  • AE35-Unit
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    Originally posted by P-jay View Post

    I read for a novel writing contest once and later got a letter back from one of the women whose pages I had read. She said: "You were my harshest judge, but you also were the most helpful. I rewrote according to your notes and sold my book." Thank God she knew how to take notes. I couldn't have been more pleased or happy for her.

    DING-DING-DING! Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner.

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  • BKDodger
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    Originally posted by opie View Post
    Empathy for what, exactly? For getting a stupid comment on positive read in a contest that brought her closer to winning? Empathy for getting a wide array of opinions on an issue she took public instead of at least attempting to handle with the organization in question?


    Pervasive idea of whom?
    The Zeitgeist. I'm confused - are you looking for an actual name?

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  • Ronaldinho
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    Last edited by Ronaldinho; 08-25-2015, 10:20 PM. Reason: Nothing to be gained from participating in this conversation.

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  • P-jay
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    Originally posted by BKDodger View Post
    I can understand GlitterKitty's frustration. It strikes me as odd so many writers in here seem to lack a character trait I consider the most important for any strong writer - empathy.
    Actually, just because someone disagrees with your position doesn't mean they lack empathy.

    I deliberately put myself in this woman's place to see how I would have reacted to the comment. I would have been offended, but not as a woman which I am--as a writer. I am serious about writing and even if one of my scripts fails to get the positive feedback I hoped for, I would still want to be respected for having made a sincere effort, not have my script (even jokingly) dismissed as something that could work for porn.

    I may or may not have written to Nicholl and advised them that this was an inappropriate comment for a reader to make. If I had done so, it would have been to save them problems further down the line, because I believe Nicholl is as serious and sincere in its efforts to help new screenwriters as I am in my efforts to advance professionally.

    And then--and I really hope I have assessed myself fairly here, but this is my usual behavior--I would have looked at the offending joke/comment and asked myself what inspired it. I haven't read the script in question, so I can only speculate, but if I had written a raunchy sex comedy that inspired that remark, I would have told myself that I got the raunchy sex part right but failed to flesh out the female characters and balance out any over the top sex antics with involving and appealing character traits.

    I read for a novel writing contest once and later got a letter back from one of the women whose pages I had read. She said: "You were my harshest judge, but you also were the most helpful. I rewrote according to your notes and sold my book." Thank God she knew how to take notes. I couldn't have been more pleased or happy for her.

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  • AE35-Unit
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  • AE35-Unit
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    Originally posted by BKDodger View Post
    Thank god for the Beatles. Without them, we'd never have Wings.....
    HAHAHA! Good one.

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  • opie
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    Originally posted by BKDodger View Post
    It strikes me as odd so many writers in here seem to lack a character trait I consider the most important for any strong writer - empathy.
    Empathy for what, exactly? For getting a stupid comment on positive read in a contest that brought her closer to winning? Empathy for getting a wide array of opinions on an issue she took public instead of at least attempting to handle with the organization in question?

    Originally posted by BKDodger View Post
    If you think the above is because female writers are only 16% as good as men, you are sadly mistaken. The pervasive idea that women's stories are less worthy of receiving cultural prominence needs to end.
    Pervasive idea of whom?

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  • BKDodger
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    Originally posted by AE35-Unit View Post
    Thanks. The Beatles? Who the hell are they?
    Thank god for the Beatles. Without them, we'd never have Wings.....

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  • boudiccarules
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  • boudiccarules
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    Originally posted by DarkKnight(OfTheSoul)
    Imagine harder. I'm not offended by them.

    As a reader, what if I'm offended by the title of the script "The Big D" and then also by the first scene, which according to Nicholl is pretty raunchy?

    There's no offense to be taken here on either side.
    I wasn't offended by them either. Maybe the reader was trying to match the "tone" of her writing, and that's why she took offense.

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  • tinlizzie
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  • tinlizzie
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    Originally posted by DarkKnight(OfTheSoul)
    Imagine harder. I'm not offended by them.

    As a reader, what if I'm offended by the title of the script "The Big D" and then also by the first scene, which according to Nicholl is pretty raunchy?

    There's no offense to be taken here on either side.
    As a reader, your job would be to ignore your offense and attempt to evaluate from a neutral viewpoint (unless the material is so extreme that any normal standard would find it offensive).

    And, as I said before, sexist or not, the final comment in the notes was inappropriate at the very least.

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  • AE35-Unit
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  • AE35-Unit
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    Originally posted by BKDodger View Post
    Congrats on your semifinalist status. Seriously, that's awesome and quite an achievement.

    Have to disagree though about the respect factor. When something is truly wrong, you have to speak up and bring it to light. How many reverential Hollywood films have been made about whistle-blowers? The Nicholl are the big dogs - they can handle the criticism and change. Or not. The ball is in their court.

    At the very worst, she'll never win an Oscar. Many of us will never win an Oscar. Which I'm fine with, The Beatles never won a Grammy when they were still a band.
    Thanks. The Beatles? Who the hell are they?

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  • tinlizzie
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  • tinlizzie
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    Originally posted by P-jay View Post
    No, I think the situation was handled badly. The writer should have contacted Nicholl privately and expressed her concern. Then Nicholl should have acted appropriately.
    This.

    Personally, I think it's beside the point if the review was sexist because the quoted "porn" line was entirely inappropriate in any sort of professional situation. But, that said, the immediate rush to the public forum of social media is unprofessional as well.

    Now, had she contacted Nicholl privately - and I think they should have been made aware of the issue - and gotten no response or the sort of response she initially received, then I can see considering airing the issue publicly.
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    Last edited by tinlizzie; 08-25-2015, 01:59 PM. Reason: grammar fail

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  • BKDodger
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    Originally posted by DarkKnight(OfTheSoul)
    It also takes courage to stand your ground when the masses want to burn you at the stake. I do not believe Nicholl did anything wrong.
    But they do think the comments were wrong and stated as such. You're free to ride a horse backwards, but that doesn't mean you're facing the right direction.

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  • BKDodger
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    Originally posted by AE35-Unit
    Look. It's just a contest. But it's the most prestigious screenplay contest in the world. Careers are launched because of it. Real careers. And that you cannot deny. I'm a semifinalist in it. And never in a million years did I ever imagine I would be. And I can honestly tell you, from the bottom of my heart, that if I had not advanced from the quarters because of a crappy read, I most certainly would not have gone out and attempted to trash Nicholl. Period.

    Because all that shows is immaturity and lack of RESPECT for an organization that's one goal is to help foster new writer's future careers.

    My granddaddy always told me: "Son. Never sh*t in the same house you eat in."

    And that is PRECISELY what this young lady did.
    Congrats on your semifinalist status. Seriously, that's awesome and quite an achievement.

    Have to disagree though about the respect factor. When something is truly wrong, you have to speak up and bring it to light. How many reverential Hollywood films have been made about whistle-blowers? The Nicholl are the big dogs - they can handle the criticism and change. Or not. The ball is in their court.

    At the very worst, she'll never win an Oscar. Many of us will never win an Oscar. Which I'm fine with, The Beatles never won a Grammy when they were still a band.

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  • justin
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    I can't imagine that any writer, female or male, could fail to be offended by the sarcastic tone of these comments. And the sexism of the final sentence makes matters even worse.

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