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  • catcon
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    I expect that their judges' determinations are about story, first and foremost, whatever that story is. It is presumed and expected that any submission is reasonably close to the industry standard formatting. (They have their own famous little sample formatting script that can be followed: http://www.oscars.org/awards/nicholl/scriptsample.pdf)

    I know that they're not interested in Marvel/DC adaptations, or novel adaptations (unless it's your own I.P.). But anything else, if it adheres to formatting standards and is in English and is less than 140 pages, ought to be in contention.

    But, they are tough. You won't get a simple Die Hard clone past 'em.
    Last edited by catcon; 04-15-2019, 02:56 PM.

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  • JaGra
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    I did not denigrate Nicholl's position. I simply clarified that which is highly misleading. They are often billed as the best screenwriting contest, but in reality actual screenwriting craft is not their number 1 priority.

    They enjoy the false narrative of looking for the best screenwriters because it keeps them rated number 1 with lots of submission fees paid by people who have no chance because they wrote a comedy that may be highly entertaining but has zero chance because it's not about some important serious issues a la The Big Sick.

    In one year two finalist scripts were about the horrors of female circumscision. Two out of 7000 just happened to have the best screenwriting craft And oh by coincidence they're both about the same female social struggle issue? This is a blatant case of what's really going on. It's social importance over screenwriting craft by far, and they should market and advertise the contest that way to keep things above board and fair, and stop swindling the comedy, sci fi, action adventures writers out of their submission fees because they might not have added important issues to their already entertaining scripts.

    You're right I don't have to apply to Nicholl. As I said in my original post, they gets not a dime from me. But someone asked what types of scripts they're looking for. I answered honestly. Honesty is not denigration. All the numbers I alluded to in previous posts are there to be verified if you want to do the research yourself. If you think I'm going to go out of my way to provide everything to you on a silver platter, forget it. Especially since most of you would choose to believe the false narrative over the truth even in the face of evidence. Start with the 70/30 m/f submissions. You can find that on Nicholl website. Then you can ask why the make up of finalists and winners doesn't approach that ratio anymore?

    We'll see who was correct when this years list of finalists comes out. I got female protagonist scripts for the win and it won't be close.

    Originally posted by UpandComing View Post
    Do you have actual evidence of this? Because I've found people often spout out "facts" like these without performing any kind of actual analysis. We're all happy to see any numbers.



    I watched the video link you provided. In it, Robin says that craft is indeed important; however, the most important thing to the Nicholl is not "perfection" in craft. She emphasizes three things the Nicholl is looking for: stories that are original, stories that are thought-provoking, and stories that "encompass the full spectrum of all human behavior" (direct quote).

    So, it appears that their criteria includes a mix of craft and powerful story (there is no reference to "social issues" in her speech). I'm pretty sure this has always been Nicholl's mission. And I don't see what's wrong with it, as a script could have all the craft in the world and still feel meaningless.

    There are a million screenwriting contests out there, many of which prioritize more commercial stories. You're free to enter those. You don't have to denigrate the Nicholl just because you don't agree with its mission.

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  • UpandComing
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    Originally posted by JaGra View Post
    As for the type of scripts that do better in this contest,

    -female protagonist who struggles against an oppressive, male dominated society.
    -pro #metoo #timesup
    -may be kind of boring but speaks to important 'social issues' (liberal leaning)
    Do you have actual evidence of this? Because I've found people often spout out "facts" like these without performing any kind of actual analysis. We're all happy to see any numbers.

    Originally posted by JaGra View Post
    It didn't used to be this way befor the current Program Director Swicord took over. It used to be about screenwriting talent, now Swicord turned it into a social issues contest and she even states, screenwriting ability is not the number 1 criteria.

    Most of the winning scripts are the types of movies that are 'socially important', but not the types of movies audiences line up to go see because they're awesome.
    I watched the video link you provided. In it, Robin says that craft is indeed important; however, the most important thing to the Nicholl is not "perfection" in craft. She emphasizes three things the Nicholl is looking for: stories that are original, stories that are thought-provoking, and stories that "encompass the full spectrum of all human behavior" (direct quote).

    So, it appears that their criteria includes a mix of craft and powerful story (there is no reference to "social issues" in her speech). I'm pretty sure this has always been Nicholl's mission. And I don't see what's wrong with it, as a script could have all the craft in the world and still feel meaningless.

    There are a million screenwriting contests out there, many of which prioritize more commercial stories. You're free to enter those. You don't have to denigrate the Nicholl just because you don't agree with its mission.

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  • JaGra
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    Not sure exactly when Swicord took over for Gale Anne Hurd but Swicord was Chair in 2015
    https://www.oscars.org/news/screenwr...riting-secrets

    "...we're not even really seeking scripts. We're seeking interesting writers...people who may not have nailed screenwriting...-
    https://youtu.be/_v6ulCO9N-M

    There's longer version of video on Nicholl website, or at least there was. If they are more focused on writers who have something important to say than they are on the craft of screenwriting, why not make it an essay, or fiction writing contest?

    Well I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this especially since you didn't even do enough research on your own to know Swicord was the Chair for more than one year. Let's just see what happens this year. It's going to be #metoo up the wazooo.

    Originally posted by acquaformosa View Post
    You recite a lot of numbers and make some fairly sweeping statements, but I'd be curious to see this quote from Swicord if you have it at your fingertips. Otherwise, given that she's only been in charge for one year, that's quite an fast transformation.

    Regarding "in recent years the winners have been 80/20 female/male":
    I did a rather fast unscientific perusal of the winners since 2012 and the breakdown seemed to be more 50/50, including last year (Swicord's first year as director) where the total among the finalists was 6 men and 5 women (one team was a female/male writing partner) though the winners were: 3 women/2 men (for four scripts).

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  • acquaformosa
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    Originally posted by JaGra View Post
    As for the type of scripts that do better in this contest,

    -female protagonist who struggles against an oppressive, male dominated society.
    -pro #metoo #timesup
    -may be kind of boring but speaks to important 'social issues' (liberal leaning)

    It didn't used to be this way befor the current Program Director Swicord took over. It used to be about screenwriting talent, now Swicord turned it into a social issues contest and she even states, screenwriting ability is not the number 1 criteria.

    The Nicholl website says for years submissions have been 70/30 male/female. But in recent years the winners have been 80/20 female/male. Most of the winning scripts are the types of movies that are 'socially important', but not the types of movies audiences line up to go see because they're awesome.

    I guarantee this years winners will be mostly female protagonist stories and most by female writers, tuning the fact of 70/30 male/female submissions upside down. They gets not a dime from me. I write stuff the masses actually want to see.
    You recite a lot of numbers and make some fairly sweeping statements, but I'd be curious to see this quote from Swicord if you have it at your fingertips. Otherwise, given that she's only been in charge for one year, that's quite an fast transformation.

    Regarding "in recent years the winners have been 80/20 female/male":
    I did a rather fast unscientific perusal of the winners since 2012 and the breakdown seemed to be more 50/50, including last year (Swicord's first year as director) where the total among the finalists was 6 men and 5 women (one team was a female/male writing partner) though the winners were: 3 women/2 men (for four scripts).

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  • catcon
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    He got fed up with this:

    Mountain of Work

    And retired a few years ago!

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  • winter dreams
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    Greg Beal no longer in charge?

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  • JaGra
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    As for the type of scripts that do better in this contest,

    -female protagonist who struggles against an oppressive, male dominated society.
    -pro #metoo #timesup
    -may be kind of boring but speaks to important 'social issues' (liberal leaning)

    It didn't used to be this way befor the current Program Director Swicord took over. It used to be about screenwriting talent, now Swicord turned it into a social issues contest and she even states, screenwriting ability is not the number 1 criteria.

    The Nicholl website says for years submissions have been 70/30 male/female. But in recent years the winners have been 80/20 female/male. Most of the winning scripts are the types of movies that are 'socially important', but not the types of movies audiences line up to go see because they're awesome.

    I guarantee this years winners will be mostly female protagonist stories and most by female writers, tuning the fact of 70/30 male/female submissions upside down. They gets not a dime from me. I write stuff the masses actually want to see.

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  • catcon
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    They recently posted two 'reminders' of the next deadline... I wonder if they're getting as many submissions as usual (around 7000, by the May deadline)?

    There does appear to be a scarcity of Reader Comments on the FB page, this time around. Maybe about ten so far.

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  • catcon
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    Let's let Wenonah get back to work, and bring this thread back on track:

    I just sank $62 (the $45 entrance fee, plus the conversion for my sad Canadian dollar up here) for a single submission.

    I have a detailed database that, for regular submissions, counts UP the days (1, 2, 3... eg. 107 now, for my subs to MonkeyPaw last November), and counts DOWN the days for contest-type submissions. To do that, I needed an announcement date, so I put July-22-19 as the possible quarter-finalist announcement. (Nicholl is typically bit earlier than their professed July-30 broadcast.)

    Thus, for this sorry database record, it presently displays -137 and will hereafter count all... the... way... down... to -2, -1, 0.

    Ain't technology a great distraction, though?
    Last edited by catcon; 03-09-2019, 07:52 AM.

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    Originally posted by finalact4 View Post
    very moving. you made me cry, girl. i'm from a small town about 90 min from Minneapolis. i'm so happy for you, wenonah. your grandmother is proud of you, too!

    Thank you! I freaking cry when I watch that video too, haha! I've never in my whole life been so nervous. I'm one of those people that would choose death over public speaking but knew that I was honoring my grandmother and that gave me the courage. Very surreal. I'm also terrible at interviews and it's been totally hard to put myself out there in that way. I don't feel like I have anything special to say and I'm the queen of "foot in mouth" syndrome but I understand it's part of the deal at this point. I'm most happy just putting my head down and writing and leaving the phone unanswered.

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  • finalact4
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    Originally posted by TigerFang View Post
    2018 Nicholl Screenwriting Awards: The speaker's introduction is excellent, and the awardee's speech is moving.

    Go Into The Story Interview: Wenonah Wilms: Good words on screenwriting by which to abide.

    "Creative Screenwriting.- - An article worth the read.

    (happily disregard all instances where article author Brianne Logan confuses the past tense of the verb "to lead- with a malleable, toxic metal, atomic number 82, symbol "Pb- or "Plumbum-)

    Sage advice for anyone writing to enter the Academy Nicholl Fellowships in Screenwriting competition.
    very moving. you made me cry, girl. i'm from a small town about 90 min from Minneapolis. i'm so happy for you, wenonah. your grandmother is proud of you, too!

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  • Clint Hill
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    2018 Nicholl Screenwriting Awards: The speaker’s introduction is excellent, and the awardee’s speech is moving.

    Go Into The Story Interview: Wenonah Wilms: Good words on screenwriting by which to abide.

    Creative Screenwriting.” — An article worth the read.

    (happily disregard all instances where article author Brianne Logan confuses the past tense of the verb “to lead” with a malleable, toxic metal, atomic number 82, symbol “Pb” or “Plumbum”)

    Sage advice for anyone writing to enter the Academy Nicholl Fellowships in Screenwriting competition.
    Last edited by Clint Hill; 03-06-2019, 08:03 AM.

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  • Iceman
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    Originally posted by wenonah View Post
    I spend YEARS not placing or winning. I believed that if I worked hard enough, listened to feedback and continued to improve that I would either start seeing results or just die with a giant stack of screenplays. There's nothing else I'm really good at. I've written 22 features over the course of 18 years. I would have written 23 and tried again this year. I've also been involved with my local filmmaking community and have been writing shorts to get experience in production and what a script really is in the "real world." My last short won dozens of festival awards and was incredibly fun to write, make and take out into the world and continued to fuel my enthusiasm for the film business. There's no magic way around it. I've said it before though... I'm a middle-aged, stay at home mom, self-taught with zero industry knowledge or contacts and didn't even start writing until I was 30. My road was not easy but I stayed on it. I hope you do too.



    W
    I am so impressed. You are really an inspiration and I hope many amazing things come your way. Thanks for sharing.

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  • docgonzo
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    Originally posted by wenonah View Post
    I spend YEARS not placing or winning. I believed that if I worked hard enough, listened to feedback and continued to improve that I would either start seeing results or just die with a giant stack of screenplays. There's nothing else I'm really good at. I've written 22 features over the course of 18 years. I would have written 23 and tried again this year. I've also been involved with my local filmmaking community and have been writing shorts to get experience in production and what a script really is in the "real world." My last short won dozens of festival awards and was incredibly fun to write, make and take out into the world and continued to fuel my enthusiasm for the film business. There's no magic way around it. I've said it before though... I'm a middle-aged, stay at home mom, self-taught with zero industry knowledge or contacts and didn't even start writing until I was 30. My road was not easy but I stayed on it. I hope you do too.

    W
    Love hearing this! Congrats on your success so far.

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