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    Looking for good info on mimes, schools for mimes and clowns, circus and circus company info research and reources for a project I'm writing. I've found some, but if anyone can pass on some good links, it would be most appreciated.

    Thanks much and hugs, - Indy

    P.S. Good scientific info on twins would be nice too.

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    Anyone, anyone....

    I'll post some of mine later today as well. - Indy

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    • #3
      Indy,

      Try www.mime.info/schools.html There is a listing of schools. Paris seems like the mime capitol of the world. Marcel Marceau has an organization. The address is www.marceau.org.

      For info. on circuses... try www.circusroyale.com/links.php
      Cirque du Soleil is one of the best around.

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        Thanks Alexis! I had found the mime.info site. Many many web searches yield info about MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) which is, of course, not what I'm looking for. Good place to start, though. Thanks for the www.circusroyale.com site, exploring it now.

        As for twins, that's rougher. Lots of vanilla info on indentical twins, but I'm looking for more specific data, not really what makes them similar, but what differentiates them from a biological standpoint. I may need to hit up one of our forensic posters in hopes of discovering more about this....

        - Indy

        P.S. Serendipity! Your post gave me a duh! thought that solved one of the highly troubling motivational problems in my story arc. Gracias, gracias, gracias!

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        • #5
          Differences Between Identical Twins

          Identical twins are the product of the fission of a zygote, (fertilized egg), and, thus, they share the same chromosones, (and DNA sequences). However, identical twins can differ significantly, (as do clones), because of the differences in their environment. The first important factor is how early the zygote splits apart. The twins may have separate placenta and develope at different rates, like fraternal twins, while other twins may share the same placenta, (and identical growth rates). A later fission may produce mirror-image twins, for example, one becomes righthanded and the other lefthanded. Identical twins will have different fingerprints. In rare instances, identical twins could be of opposite sexes, (Turner's syndrome, when the Y chromosone of the XY combination that produces a male, gets lost in the fission). Twins may also differ because of their exposure to diseases while in the womb, (for examples, schizophrenia, Tourette's syndrome, and obsessive-compulsive disorders).

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            Re: Differences Between Identical Twins

            Aha. They will have different fingerprints -- in all cases?

            I know that dental records would almost certainly be different.

            I guess I'm wondering this: if there was no person(s) to indentify the bodies, how would a forensic scientist tell twins apart, and would they always be accurate? What if they had never been fingerprinted and dental records were unavailable? I guess as a writer I could play God and work this out someway or another, but I'd like to make it more believable than, say, General Hospital. Or, drop the concept all together and start from scratch.

            - Indy

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            • #7
              Re: Differences Between Identical Twins

              Fortean,

              Where did you find this info? Would you happen to have a link to a specific site?

              Thanks,

              Kyle

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              • #8
                BTW, Fortean...

                By the way, Fortean, thanks for the info. I would also love to know your source -- most helpful. - Indy

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                • #9
                  Differences Between Identical Twins

                  I studied a lot of biology and was interested in the subject of cloning, when I was in high school, (way back when a process known as "embryo-extraction" was only used to produce otherwise impossible plant hybrids). What was science fiction, then, has become today's science. Anyhow, I read a lot about identical twins. Something that I wasn't sure of was retinal patterns, I checked it, today, and they are different between identical twins. Biometrics suggests also that iris patterns and the patterns of veins on the back of one's hand also vary between identical twins. Yet, so many science fiction films about clones still get this stuff wrong. The presence of antibodies in the blood of identical twins may yield valuable clues indicating that some diseases are caused by exposure to viruses in the womb, (for example, a possible relationship between streptococcus and the onset of Tourette's syndrome is found, under "Immunology"). Here are a few sources on the Internet:

                  Types (different fingerprints and dentition, mirror twins):

                  www.gen.umn.edu/faculty_s...twins.html

                  Fingerprints:

                  www.sciencenet.org.uk/dat...0598d.html

                  Retinal patterns:

                  www.retina-scan.com/retin...nology.htm

                  Schizophenia:

                  faculty.washington.edu/ch...schiz.html

                  Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder:

                  www.mentalhealthchannel.net/ocd/

                  Touretteâ€TMs Syndrome:

                  www.haverford.edu/psych/b..._4_Heading

                  (and Immunology):

                  www.haverford.edu/psych/b..._5_Heading

                  Turnerâ€TMs Syndrome:

                  greatbabyproducts.com/twinsnames.htm (at bottom of page)

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                    Re: Differences Between Identical Twins

                    Wow wow wow wow! Great info, gracias. Hey, if you don't ask the question.....cool place here, what?

                    So, my script will depend on the Copperfield-like "world of illusion" or on a very lazy pathologist, medical examiner, coroner? Thank God it's in a small insular town. However, fingerprinting is standard in all post-mortem medical exmainations, so that I'll need to find a way to deal with. Let's see: if the examiner is far more interested in, say, the indentity of the killer than the indentity of the victim, maybe that would be the "diversion" that would work to the killer's benefit, eh? What if, perhaps, the killer was old enough and proper enough that fingerprints were never taken even at the DMV? People believe what seems obvious with no evidence to the contrary.

                    I mean, once they are buried or cremated, all investigators will have to work with is what was collected on intial post-mortem, therefore, etc. etc. etc. ... so, keep the FBI out until after the funeral if at all possible.

                    But, in the age of CSI, it's good to know the rules you're skirting before hand so you can answer the questions later -- in the script or in the rules of the world you create.

                    Much appreciation Fortean, - Indy Baby

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                    • #11
                      Re: Differences Between Identical Twins

                      Hey Fortean -

                      I was wondering what you think: if an FBi agent had a set of fingerprints that he/she knew belonged to X, and a set of unknown fingerprints, would a forensic specialist be able to tell that the fingerprints likely belonged to twins, even if they had no evidence of a twin beyond the fingerprints? Or, are they just that random and it would be an unknown set of fingerprints? Mostly, I'm just thinking aloud, but curious what you think. - Indy

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                        Differences Between Identical Twins

                        The FBI and the RCMP have complete sets of X's fingerprints on file. This I know.

                        Now, as for your hypothetical query: No. A set of fingerprints from a known person, (who is an identical twin), and an unknown set of fingerprints, (from the other identical twin, triplet, etc.), would not indicate that the two sets were from twins. Possibly, hand prints would suggest this, as hand geometry would be largely determined by the same DNA; however, I doubt that the FBI would have a data bank on hand geometry, (apart from individual criminal investigations). For example, if the known person's middle finger was shorter than the two adjacent fingers, and if the unknown person had that same trait, then, this might suggest that they were twins, (whereas the whorls, ridges, loops, arches, etc., that distinguish fingerprints, would not).

                        You stated: "I guess I'm wondering this: if there was no person(s) to indentify [sic] the bodies, how would a forensic scientist tell twins apart, and would they always be accurate? What if they had never been fingerprinted and dental records were unavailable?" Here's an idea that I'll put to you. Hospitals sometimes do record a baby's footprints for identification purposes. The footprints of identical twins would be as different as their fingerprints. If a medical examiner could not get an identification from the fingerprints, (if there were no fingerprint records from the FBI, DMV, etc.), the footprints might help identify exactly who the person is, (if the birthplace became known); and, a check of hospital records, (once located), would probably indicate that this person was one of a pair of identical twins.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Differences Between Identical Twins

                          You are a fount of interesting info. Thanks again, friend.

                          - Indy

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