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  • Centos
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    ?? If this is directed at me, my apologies for being too dense to figure it out.

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  • Centos
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    For some reason I can't correct the format of the above post? Sorry for the mess. I don't even know how it got that way. There was some kind of glitch when I went to post it. Maybe my Internet went down momentarily.
    Last edited by Centos; 10-21-2020, 11:33 PM.

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  • Centos
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    Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
    About the issue (which I reported) that Trelby was not working:

    I have not been able to reproduce the problem, either. But it really did happen.

    Whatever.
    I don't discount someone's experience just because I can't replicate it. I honestly wondered if it was specifically a Windows 10 issue.

    Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
    I am going to agree with the proposition that Trelby is a good option (maybe the best option) if you really INSIST on having a free program. You just have to accept its primitiveness and its shortcomings.
    • You cannot apply font formatting like bold, italics, and underline (or at least I could not find a way, and when the question of how to make a word bold came up on the Internet several years ago, the answer was that you cannot do it). Bummer.
    • A lot of people have complained about that. I think italics (especially) are becoming much more common in screenplays.

      Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
    • Fountain import: Trelby leaves the special codes in place (like a period to start a forced Scene Heading, an exclamation point to force an Action line), but it does at least "force" these elements. Consequently you can type (without the angle brackets) something like: <.Mansion on Mossy Lane> and the period will force the line to be a Scene Heading even though it does not otherwise meet the criteria for a Scene Heading. You can remove the period and the ! at the start of a lines when you edit in Trelby. There will not be many of these.
    Yeah, Trelby's Fountain support was one of the features added when they moved from 2.1 to 2.2 in 2012 (so one of the last things they did). Fountain wasn't as sophisticated then as it is now. Another thing that Trelby will never be able to do (unless someone picks up the project again) is dual dialog. Fountain supports dual dialog well now. Trelby also can't handle Fountain title pages. (Not hard to clean it up though.)

    I like Fountain a lot. I've just been trying out Sublime-Text with Fountainhead today and it works nicely. That's a good trick using Fountain for the notes. I tried that and it and notes import into Trelby as well (though its probably not needed there.) You can't hide notes in Trelby's display but at least you can keep them from printing. Just go to Script > Settings > Change > PDF and click "Omit Note Elements."

Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
Happy writing.
I usually try to mention that Trelby has its limitations. Lack of Unicode is one of its biggest limitations.

Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
ADDENDUM: While I was writing the above, I checked some things in Trelby. At one point I imported a Fountain file. No problem. But when I changed an element type from Scene Heading to Action (an experiment), Trelby once again would not let me enter any text anywhere (I could move the cursor). It was the same problem as before. But, of course, when I restarted the program and tried to reproduce the problem, everything worked fine. And I tried to reproduce the problem a couple of times after that, but everything worked fine. So the issue appears to crop up only rarely.
I'm guessing (I don't know) what you somehow clicked the mouse outside of Trelby and lost "focus" on it. I was actually able to replicate that (in both Windows and Linux). I just had to click the mouse inside Trelby to get the keyboard back.

Trelby has its limitations but (for me) there are work-arounds. But that's mostly because I spend the majority of my time figuring out how to type in screenplays instead of actually writing them.

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  • ComicBent
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    About the issue (which I reported) that Trelby was not working:

    I have not been able to reproduce the problem, either. But it really did happen.

    Whatever.

    I am going to agree with the proposition that Trelby is a good option (maybe the best option) if you really INSIST on having a free program. You just have to accept its primitiveness and its shortcomings.Happy writing.

    ADDENDUM: While I was writing the above, I checked some things in Trelby. At one point I imported a Fountain file. No problem. But when I changed an element type from Scene Heading to Action (an experiment), Trelby once again would not let me enter any text anywhere (I could move the cursor). It was the same problem as before. But, of course, when I restarted the program and tried to reproduce the problem, everything worked fine. And I tried to reproduce the problem a couple of times after that, but everything worked fine. So the issue appears to crop up only rarely.

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  • Centos
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    Originally posted by dpaterso View Post
    My big (and only) moan with Trelby is that I can't find a zoom option. Text is gorram tiny. Yes I upped the font sizes as a workaround.
    Upping the size of the display fonts is the only "zoom option" in Trelby. It works for me, though. As mentioned earlier, Trelby does some things oddly. For example copy/paste is only for copying from one Trelby document to another. If you want to copy from, or paste to, another application, you use System Copy or System Paste. But the Trelby creators redeemed themselves a little by giving us the option to System Copy Formatted Text. As far as I can tell, that feature is unique to Trelby. I regularly use it.

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  • dpaterso
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    I can't duplicate that problem either, I've written a couple of short scripts using Trelby and it worked just fine.

    I wonder if it's a compatibility issue. I use an older version of Word which Windows 10 just did not like, Word would randomly freeze in mid-keystroke. Other users had reported the same thing on forums. I right-clicked on the Word icon, selected Properties, selected the Compatibility tab, and tick-selected "Run this program in compatibility mode for... Windows Vista." No problems after that. When I installed Trelby I did the same thing because it's an older program.

    My big (and only) moan with Trelby is that I can't find a zoom option. Text is gorram tiny. Yes I upped the font sizes as a workaround.

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  • Centos
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    Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
    I have been using computers since 1985. I had to load Trelby THREE times just now to make it work right (Windows 10). I could move the cursor with the mouse, but the keyboard would not input any characters and would not delete anything. It is a shame that the developers (there were basically two when the name was changed to Trelby) abandoned the program.
    I installed Trelby on my wife's Windows 10 laptop to see if I could replicate your issue. So far no "luck." Is this something that happens all the time for you or just that once? I haven't heard about this issue in the past, so I'm curious about it.

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  • Centos
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    Originally posted by docgonzo View Post

    Yeah, FD has been my go-to and never has been much of a problem. It's fashionable to crap on it, I guess, but I never really understood why.
    I don't really crap on it, I just think it's an unnecessary expense for new (wannabe) writers. Just about any screenplay application (all cheaper than Final Draft) can produce well formatted screenplay PDFs.

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  • Centos
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    Originally posted by JeffLowell View Post
    FWIW, I've been using Final Draft for 20+ years and never had an issue.
    Last edited by Centos; 10-20-2020, 03:24 AM.

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  • Centos
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    Nope, no Unicode. As is, If I feel I need em dashes, I just export to Fountain, replace double hyphens with em dashes and create the PDF in 'Afterwriting CLI. The process takes about 15-20 seconds. Normally it's not that big of a deal for me, I just use the double hyphens.

    Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
    I have been using computers since 1985. I had to load Trelby THREE times just now to make it work right (Windows 10). I could move the cursor with the mouse, but the keyboard would not input any characters and would not delete anything. It is a shame that the developers (there were basically two when the name was changed to Trelby) abandoned the program.
    Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
    Unicode ... You need it if you write in a non-Western language that uses a weird (i.e., non-Latin) alphabet, or even one that is basically Western but has special characters, like Polish, which has several things that require Unicode. And then, of course, the Russian alphabet is totally different, but its alphabet is part of Unicode.
    I understand. But I don't write with the Cyrillic alphabet. If I knew Python well enough to upgrade Trelby, I would add Unicode support.

    Originally posted by ComicBent View Post
    EDIT to add: I remember when the developers of Trelby were thinking about a new name (it was not called Trelby then). They decided on *Trelby* and picked a hat for the icon. That was fine, except that the word is *Trilby*, not *Trelby*. I do not know if they were trying to be cute, or if they were just ignorant. But it was ridiculous.
    Look at it this way. When you do a Google search for "trelby" you instantly find the screenwriting software. And that's all you find. If they had named it "trilby" it would have been lost in all the references to hats. Whether it was intentional or a mistake, it's worked out well for them. Trelby is a still a popular choice on the Reddit Screenplay "subreddit" and is well known. I was a beta tester (I think in 2003) for what became "Blyte" (the original name for the software that became Trelby). I told the publisher that Blyte wasn't a very good name (at least not in English) and suggested he name it Fade In or Smash Cut instead. But he liked Blyte and kept the name and Fade In Pro showed up some eight years later. I'm still waiting for someone to use Smash Cut.

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  • finalact4
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    I bought final draft right after I bought The Screenwriter's Bible... I wanted to save any worries about format. I've never been sorry and have never been tempted to switch to open source software. I still love it-- even with its occasional glitches. Not as prevalent as they used to be with FD7. The stress free formatting suits my temperament.

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  • docgonzo
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    Originally posted by JeffLowell View Post
    FWIW, I've been using Final Draft for 20+ years and never had an issue.
    Yeah, FD has been my go-to and never has been much of a problem. It's fashionable to crap on it, I guess, but I never really understood why.

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