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  • #16
    Jeff, is the porn TV show you submitted to Black List dead or you still trying to find it a home?

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    • #17
      I think it's probably dead - there've been a couple of other shows in the space that haven't done well. I still use it as a spec.

      Maybe it comes around - but even beyond the other shows, the number of buyers would be small these days, smaller than when I wrote it. Is Disney going to do a show in the porn industry? Is Apple? So many places are huge conglomerates that have family friendly businesses under the umbrella, and they're going to avoid that kind of controversy.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by JeffLowell View Post

        I'm posting a link to my thread about the experience.

        And here's how I summed it up: "if I were breaking in, the Blacklist would be a no-brainer to try."
        Thanks for the link to your little experiment, Jeff. Hardly empirical since it would need to be replicated but still helpful. I had a script get a 7 once on there which I was over the moon about and then the second evaluation came in at a 4 which really killed my hopes. This was years ago and hopefully they’ve calibrated their readers better now but I was never offered a half off for the disparate evaluations. And prior to that, I had several evaluations where the plot was all wrong and it was like they didn’t even read my script or just barely scanned it. Like I said, hopefully things have improved since 8 years ago or so.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Acooljt View Post

          Thanks for the link to your little experiment, Jeff. Hardly empirical since it would need to be replicated but still helpful. I had a script get a 7 once on there which I was over the moon about and then the second evaluation came in at a 4 which really killed my hopes. This was years ago and hopefully they’ve calibrated their readers better now but I was never offered a half off for the disparate evaluations. And prior to that, I had several evaluations where the plot was all wrong and it was like they didn’t even read my script or just barely scanned it. Like I said, hopefully things have improved since 8 years ago or so.
          Did you market that spec yourself besides the black list?

          My biggest issue with the black list is that I fear writers think it's some sort of industry test and that those scores are empirical evidence that your spec is great or trash, when in reality it's just 2 random readers in their 20s or worse bitter like me and old who are also writers just reading too many scripts per weekend to make some extra money so they themselves can spend it on screenplay contests.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JeffLowell View Post
            I think it's probably dead - there've been a couple of other shows in the space that haven't done well. I still use it as a spec.

            Maybe it comes around - but even beyond the other shows, the number of buyers would be small these days, smaller than when I wrote it. Is Disney going to do a show in the porn industry? Is Apple? So many places are huge conglomerates that have family friendly businesses under the umbrella, and they're going to avoid that kind of controversy.
            I would love to see the Disney version of that show.

            It would probably be something like this PG PORN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fDUPTH3PNk

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Acooljt View Post
              I had a script get a 7 once on there which I was over the moon about and then the second evaluation came in at a 4 which really killed my hopes. This was years ago and hopefully they’ve calibrated their readers better now but I was never offered a half off for the disparate evaluations.
              You're not alone. In 2009, that happened to me with an 8 and a 4.
              “Nothing is what rocks dream about” ― Aristotle

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bono View Post

                Did you market that spec yourself besides the black list?
                I did send out query letters and I think I had 2 or 3 managers request the script and then never heard back after that. Then again, I am terrible at marketing myself, that’s why I usually request help from DDP for loglines.

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                • #23
                  Hey blacklist users - can someone get a review but not have the script publicly listed?

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                  • #24
                    Short answer, no.

                    Are you curious about paid reviews or industry reviews?

                    You can suspend your script and all your reviews hang around for as long as it's indexed until/if you ever want to start hosting again. So, you don't want to delist it permanently is my view-- this costs the writer nothing. It can remain indexed but unsearchable. The public won't be able to see the reviews (paid for or otherwise) unless you pay to have it hosted.

                    In order to receive a paid review you must also host the script. Once the reviews come back you can chose to make the reviews public or non-public. The minute you pull the hosting, you cannot review evaluations (except for the writer themselves) or offer a review as you won't be able to search the spec.

                    Originally, you could. Social Network was listed with tons of industry reviews but was never hosted and never received "paid" reviews. That may have just been allowed when the site initially launched to provide legitimacy early on. I remember I knew a write who listed the writer's script that had made the rounds, but the writer never "hosted" the script themselves.

                    In the beginning, I seem to recall, you were able to have your script indexed, so the title was searchable, but I think that changed early on.

                    Hope that helps.

                    POST EDIT: Oh, strike that. If you enter the Industry View you can still search and find the Social Network script page as well as Slumdog Millionaire, they're categorized as LISTED but it doesn't have reviews associated with it any longer. It's interesting that they allow that script (Social Network) to remain indexed and searchable (only under industry view), but not a writer who has paid for their script to be evaluated in the past and has opted not to host it any longer. Difficult to believe Aaron is paying to have it listed. Probably a courtesy.

                    It doesn't look like "indexing," is a thing anymore.
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                    Last edited by finalact4; 06-19-2022, 02:10 PM.
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                    • #25
                      Copy that. I was thinking of running another test but I don’t want to waste any producer or agents time.

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                      • #26
                        They're probably used to scripts not panning out. It'd be interesting. Pay for two evals to start then pay for two after you receive the first two. That'll set you back about $400.

                        Curious, why does Shia Labeouf host scripts. Seems he doesn't need to. He has A8450, M.D. with 18 reviews and one paid eval visible-- 8/9.

                        They have a new thing, if you receive five paid evals with 8s you get unlimited hosting.

                        Of course, you will still need to continue to pay for evals if you want to remain visible on the monthly, quarterly and annual lists.

                        It never ends.



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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JeffLowell View Post
                          Copy that. I was thinking of running another test but I don’t want to waste any producer or agents time.
                          I haven't used this in a very long time. But I think I remember Bitter Scriptreader hosting a script under "Biter Scriptreader" so it would seem like you wouldn't have to use your real name?

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                          To answer the OP -- I don't think it's worth it in the least. The reviews are wildly different. You can't really use it for notes to rewrite at all, because the reviews aren't particularly thoughtful, either. And when I got an "8" on a script there -- great, so I got 13 or 16 downloads (can't remember which). But then you have this sinking feeling that your work has been read -- but by whom? Who knows? Some peon or an actual player in the industry? Since they don't list whose downloading -- you're the sucker!

                          Oh, and they make sure to use up almost three weeks of hosting, so if you get any sort of good score at all, and are hoping for some downloads, you'll immediately have to pay for another month of hosting, because you only have a week left. The overall impression I was left with was that I made FL Mercedes payment that month.

                          Originally posted by finalact4 View Post

                          They have a new thing, if you receive five paid evals with 8s you get unlimited hosting.

                          Of course, you will still need to continue to pay for evals if you want to remain visible on the monthly, quarterly and annual lists.

                          It never ends.
                          #@!&*%$

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by figment View Post
                            I haven't used this in a very long time. But I think I remember Bitter Scriptreader hosting a script under "Biter Scriptreader" so it would seem like you wouldn't have to use your real name?
                            I would definitely use a fake name, but I would feel bad having a rep or exec or producer read it, when I don't need a rep and my reps will be taking it out.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by finalact4 View Post
                              Short answer, no.

                              Originally, you could. Social Network was listed with tons of industry reviews but was never hosted and never received "paid" reviews. That may have just been allowed when the site initially launched to provide legitimacy early on. I remember I knew a write who listed the writer's script that had made the rounds, but the writer never "hosted" the script themselves.

                              In the beginning, I seem to recall, you were able to have your script indexed, so the title was searchable, but I think that changed early on.
                              When the site was new, I went to upload a script to host/be reviewed, and was surprised to find my name and a script I'd gotten a QF for the Nicholl was listed there -- though I had never sent the script to them, or given permission for it to be listed on the site. Apparently, they just went through the Nicholl placement announcement and just threw mine up there, as if I had used the site for it.

                              *You couldn't download the script, because they didn't have it.

                              IF you call that "indexing," that's what it was. But instead of indexing, why don't we call it what it actually was -- false advertising -- pretending writers who'd placed in contests had at one time listed their script on your site, when in fact, they had not. Me, Aaron Sorkin, you know, all the greats!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by figment View Post

                                When the site was new, I went to upload a script to host/be reviewed, and was surprised to find my name and a script I'd gotten a QF for the Nicholl was listed there -- though I had never sent the script to them, or given permission for it to be listed on the site. Apparently, they just went through the Nicholl placement announcement and just threw mine up there, as if I had used the site for it.

                                *You couldn't download the script, because they didn't have it.

                                IF you call that "indexing," that's what it was. But instead of indexing, why don't we call it what it actually was -- false advertising -- pretending writers who'd placed in contests had at one time listed their script on your site, when in fact, they had not. Me, Aaron Sorkin, you know, all the greats!!
                                I knew a writer that it happened to on a spec she wrote and had given "co-credit" to a big time writer" to give legitimacy to her big budget film and she never authorized it to be on the Black List at all. So I hear you. We though her new manager might have done it.

                                I just searched for it under the industry view and it still comes up, though there is no logline, but the title is there and both their names. Mine is not searchable. Clear example of the "haves" have it (the privilege) and the "have nots" don't.

                                Honestly don't know what they call that anymore.
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