Ww84

[finalact4]

Really? The same way it's done in WW84 where the male love interest is a kind of helpful sidekick? I recently caught a few minutes of Raiders of the Lost Ark, and while not a superhero movie, it is a good example of how a female love interest works as a plot device for a male hero. She needs to be continuously saved, secondary to the main objective - get X and also (sub-plot) save the girl. The love interest is usually an unwilling participant. The villain makes her part of the journey.

Name a few movies where a female love interest is a helpful and mostly equal sidekick? I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

Ya know, I think you're right here. Thor, during the film the relationship is important, but he eventually lets her go. With male super heroes it seems their love interest is diminished because it's s like "baggage," right? Gets in the way of story.

The only two examples, off the top of my head are, Pepperpot (Ironman) and Gamora (Guardians of the Galaxy).

Well, then there's Lois Lane in Superman... then, of course, there's Spiderman and Mary Jane Watson... Oh, wait, Batman and Rachel... so, yeah , I guess these female "sidekicks" might be stronger than Raiders. In Raiders it felt like more of a "one nighters," as opposed to the superheroes that have an enduring "forbidden love" they are always fighting against.

So, I guess, maybe, I changed my mind.

[zetiago]

All. The. Time.

Really? The same way it's done in WW84 where the male love interest is a kind of helpful sidekick? I recently caught a few minutes of Raiders of the Lost Ark, and while not a superhero movie, it is a good example of how a female love interest works as a plot device for a male hero. She needs to be continuously saved, secondary to the main objective - get X and also (sub-plot) save the girl. The love interest is usually an unwilling participant. The villain makes her part of the journey.

Name a few movies where a female love interest is a helpful and mostly equal sidekick? I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

[MoviePen]

Do male superheroes have love interests they bring along their hero journeys?

All. The. Time.

[finalact4]

This was a weird one for me. There are parts that I liked, WW and Steve, yeah, that was nice. The best part of the entire film. I agree with Zetiago, too. It wasn't nearly as good as the original. It's like seeing the first Iron Man then watching the second and going... um, okay?

I agree with roscoegino it was CW-ish. I was an hour in and thinking... isn't this an action film? Did not have a lot of action until the back half. The first scene is awesome-- when WW was a little girl... but it literally felt like nothing happened for a really long time.

I'm more into the darker tones, like Joker and The Dark Knight-- so, I guess this just wasn't for me, either. It was very much like the original TV series, you know, everything in a neat box. Happy ending and all.

I'm glad I streamed it on HBO Max. I would've been so disappointed if I'd paid $100 at a dine-in theater.

Was this the original ending? I wonder if they changed the ending to what it is because of COVID? Any thoughts, I mean, I was like.... aw c'mon! Seriously? I mean, her (WW) choice had meaning, the rest? Not so much.

I think the problem with Wonder Woman has always been that her "power" is truth, which doesn't play well for a super hero, because it's NOT physical. Seriously, they could have stepped out of the Marvel box and gave her more than just super human strength and the ability to learn to "fly." I mean, imagine Thor and his "truth" hammer-- it's kind of sexist, really. A Woman's super power is something soft and emotional? And like Batman she won't kill bad people? I mean, her moral compass is a good central story and her personal struggle has meaning. It's just not realistic that everyone else does, too.

There was definitely potential, but like most Marvel films the scenes are so short that you really can't develop a lot of character, even though you try.

Yeah, I know, I'm all over the place. I'm a consumer here. Nothing more.

[roscoegino]

The tone is very CW-ish which turned me off already. In a weird way WW and WW1984 mirror the Lynda Carter series from the World war II setting in the first season to the 1970s setting. The former was well written and more plausible. The subsequent seasons had Wonder Woman skateboarding.

[Friday]

It's doing okay globally. https://deadline.com/2020/12/wonder-...ce-1234661795/

Thanks. I meant how is it doing in terms of moving the needle for HBO Max adding subscribers. I hope they re release this when the vaccine is here for everyone. A lot of fans would prefer to see this in theaters.

[Madbandit]

How is it doing on streaming?

It's doing okay globally. https://deadline.com/2020/12/wonder-...ce-1234661795/

[Friday]

How is it doing on streaming?

[Madbandit]

This movie wasn't for you, old man.

[zetiago]

I generally avoid these kinds of movies. Outside of the Batman movies and the original Star Wars movies I saw as a kid and barely remember, this is the only superhero/hi-action movie I recall ever watching in it's entirety. After seeing what all the fuss is about I can go back to avoiding this stuff. It was worse than I thought it would be.

The rhythm reminds me of porno. It goes something like narrative, long sex sequence, narrative, long sex sequence, etc. In WW84 the ratio is not the same but the general rhythm is narrative, long action sequence, narrative, long action sequence. I find those long action sequences to not only be ridiculous in their global scale stakes, but also incredibly boring. In some cases they move so fast it's hard to process what is even happening. I find myself looking away, waiting for them to conclude in preordained fashion, so we can get on with the story. I don't think there is anything wrong with formulas per se, but I struggle understanding the base entertainment value of what is basically cinematic trickery.

In terms of story I'm not sure if the bar is really low or I missed something. The reviews I read before watching were generally positive. What I saw was a steaming pile of crap. The movie is set in 1984, which alludes to Orwell, but the story has nothing to do with any of the themes of that novel. If the goal was just to set the story in the 80's for the sight gags it seems picking a less iconic year would have made more sense. And then there are the scenes where things I guess are meant to be more serious and add narrative weight to the action and temporal gags, but it all makes no sense. It's pseudo-philosophical word salad signifying nothing. My lasso is powered by 'truth' or WW's entire final soliloquy to the world is utter nonsense.

Other issues - What happens when people have conflicting wishes? What if someone at the end just wishes for peace on earth? End of story. Why does Wonder Woman need a male sidekick along for the ride. Do male superheroes have love interests they bring along their hero journeys?