is fight club about anarchy or fascism?

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  • Jake Schuster
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    As well you're meant to, Hairy, though Kafka's work at heart is exceptionally dark. When he read The Trial aloud to his friends (including Max Brod, the man who was to disobey K's will and not burn his manuscripts), Kafka laughed till the tears ran down his face, while his friends were horrified by the story of this man who'd been arrested...just because he was who he was.

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  • Hairy Lime
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    Originally posted by Frankclone
    Funny- exact opposite of what happened to Kafka's work. What we now as dark, nightmarish documents of existential angst used to promote boisterous laughter in Kafka's reading circle.
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I always get a chuckle out of Kafka.

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  • Frankclone
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    more people said it was literature in the dramatic sense, not in the satirical.
    Funny- exact opposite of what happened to Kafka's work. What we now as dark, nightmarish documents of existential angst used to promote boisterous laughter in Kafka's reading circle.

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    Being literature, it can be about a lot of things at once
    Have to agree there. A resonating nexus of intersecting themes, fer sure.

    And as long as Hollywood can make a FIGHT CLUB, it compensates for a thousand vapid rom-coms, puerile teen comedies, works of melodramatic hoakum, & orgies of special effects.

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  • Angeloworx
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    This is definitely breaking the rules.

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  • whistlelock
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    Originally posted by Slappynipsy
    I thought the whole book and movies deal was it's making fun of white male anger.
    Some critics claimed it was satire when it was released, but as it made the circuit and won awards more and more people said it was literature in the dramatic sense, not in the satirical.

    And the response to it has not shown it to be a satire at all.

    Chuck, in interviews, has said that he wasn't writing a satirical piece and that the critics put him there because they didn't know how to deal with it.

    For me the story is primarily about the lack of the sense of self and absent fathers, and how those two things are deeply connected. And if we can't find that value within ourselves, then we'll find it in the things we own- like glass plates with tiny imperfections in them to prove that they were made by indeginous people.

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  • cluckyburger
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    the more they tried to take down commercialism, consumerism, image-branding the more regimented and franchised and blindly worshipped they became. just as easily mocked and dismissed as finding your power animal or "share yourself...completely" at a support group.

    you could make the case that the movie suggests only love can save you. but then you could just as easily make the case that the movie is making fun of that concept.

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  • Slappynipsy
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    I thought the whole book and movies deal was it's making fun of white male anger.

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  • whistlelock
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    Well, I think it is about anarchy as well. Being literature, it can be about a lot of things at once and very few of them intended. Chuck has said in several interviews that the nihlism in his books is not intentional.

    But I think the anarchism is intentional. But the way Tyler sets out to do it is at odds with the concepts of anarchy- the rampant individualism mentioned earlier.

    In the book, as Jack/Joe is figuring things out he says something along these lines "Each Spacemonkey had a job to do, just one thing. Whether it was scrub toilets, kill inch-worms, or make soap they all did it and they did it perfectly. Each one a perfect cog in a perfect machine. The bureaucracy of anarchy, you figure it out."

    And one of the reasons it was done was to impress a girl, Marla. Which some people say Marla was another personality inside Jack/Joe.

    But I also think this story is about finding happiness. I think so because of the Human Sacrafice scene. That only when faced with our immeniant death can we really know what is important to us.

    and I'll pick this up later, I gots to go!

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  • billythrilly7
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    Originally posted by Optimus
    Isn't this entire thread violating the first and second rules of fight club?
    http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/mov...=new_faces.wav

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  • Optimus
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    http://www.blogwaves.com/images/fight1.jpg

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  • Qazworld
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    only if you're in it opti. are you?

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  • Optimus
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    Isn't this entire thread violating the first and second rules of fight club?

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  • Optimus
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    Originally posted by velysai
    I thought the narrator was never given a name in the movie.
    It's a bit of unverifiable movie trivia. When he's reading an article on body organs, he says "Jack's brain" or something like that.

    Also, behind the scenes, the prop paycheck they used for one scene has his name on it as "Jack."

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  • Qazworld
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    exactly, raven. that's part of why i loved the movie - it showed that brilliantly.

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  • Ravenlocks
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    I don't think society is actually capable of anarchy. There's always a leader. People feel a need for someone to follow.

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