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  • Magnolia

    Inspired by another post in another thread, I thought I'd start a thread on this film which most people either love or hate.

    IMO, I thought it was genius. One of the best films of the 90's.

    One reviewer commented about the music in it, mainly the choice to use Supertramp in certain scenes...but it works great!

    Two minor problems I had with the music though was that in parts it was a bit too loud and centerstaged. Secondly, I thought the song at the end didn't quite work as everyone sang a few verses. It looked more like a music video than I think PT wanted it to.

    There were many great performances in the movie, my favorites being Tom Cruise and Melora Walters who played Claudia. I thought she was spot-on in her performance. Favorite quote by Cruise, "I'm quietly judging you."

    Excellent direction by PT in this film. I had originally disliked the frog scene but then realized that it made sense when you put everything together and take into account why he had those certain scenes beginning the film, obviously to set it all up.

    BTW, I noticed that if you watch the character of Stanley as he's answering questions on the game show, there is a piece of the set behind him, an angel's wing, that makes it look like it's part of him. At the bar, one man tells the other, don't confuse children with angels.

    Interesting.


  • #2
    Re: Magnolia

    Inspiration. Let's talk about that for a moment. Magonolia is vignette tied together by the lives of complete strangers.

    There is one scene in the movie that has shaped many a scene as i use it as a template. the scene when the lady is snorting coke in the house, she's at her wits end - btw, anderson uses coke like it works on the human body to amp up his movies.

    anyway, when she's snorting and the cops pounding on the door. she's snorting and trying hide it with the music blasting and he's pounding on the door and the music's blasting and their personal lives are in shambles and they are thrown together with the metaphor of authority and police and protection and the irony of the entire scene and how it also leads to the frogs.

    i really like the depth of this movie and it inspires me. i think in my head how that scene played out and i map it to the energy in my other scripts. i might use that same template in two or three instances in all my scripts.

    i can also see how the movie could make you want to pull your teeth and shove them up your whammy hole as well.

    vig

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    • #3
      Re: Magnolia

      No.

      This movie sucks.

      I get angry just thinking about this movie.

      It sucks that bad.

      I'm not gonna talk any more about the various ways this movies sucks.

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      • #4
        Re: Magnolia

        Horse crap. That's what it is. Yawn.
        Screenwriting is like stripping. You don't just dump your clothes on the floor. You tease as you go. And then you get screwed in a back room for money. - Craig Mazin

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        • #5
          Re: Magnolia

          I don't hold the hatred for Magnolia that WL has, but I don't have love for it either. Self-indulgent, plotless, meandering, mixed with moments of brilliance as far as writing, acting and filmmaking and all muddled by THREE FRICKIN HOURS PLUS running time. An epic series of short stories. PTA blew his wad on it and made me think less of him.

          I don't know what it would take for me to watch it in its entirety, maybe being hospitalized and unable to find the remote. Or if I was really really really attracted to, and just stupid about a woman who wanted me to watch it before things progressed.

          On a side note, he spoke at one of the first screenwriting conferences I ever attended. During the Q&A, I asked him how he felt about plot. He responded he was "plot-obsessed." Haven't seen it to this day. /shrug.
          #writinginaStarbucks #re-thinkingmyexistence #notanotherweaklogline #thinkingwhatwouldWilldo

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          • #6
            Re: Magnolia

            I literally walked out of it twice... during the same showing.

            I went with my girlfriend and decided I'd had enough. She wanted to stay, however, so I played tough guy and said I was leaving anyway.

            I went out in the lobby. Played some video games with some kids. Made a couple phone calls. Went to the bathroom... twice.

            Then broke down and went back in thinking it was almost over. Sat down for what seemed like a long time, and finally walked out again.

            My girlfriend came out (what seemed like hours later) and told me I missed raining frogs.

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            • #7
              Re: Magnolia

              Raining frogs took balls.

              PTA used to be a genius.
              "Entertaining the world is a full time, up at dawn, never ending siege, the likes of which you will never fully understand."
              Billy Thrilly 2005

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              • #8
                Magnolia

                Originally posted by billythrilly7
                Raining frogs took balls.
                You do know where PTA got that idea?
                "Terrified horses, up on their hind legs, hoofing a storm of frogs.

                "Frenzied springboks, capering their exasperations against frogs that were tickling them.

                "Storekeepers, in London, gaping at frogs that were tapping on their window panes.

                "We shall pick up an existence by its frogs.

                "Wise men have tried other ways. They have tried to understand our state of being, by grasping at its stars, or its arts, or its economics. But, if there is an underlying oneness of all things, it does not matter where we begin, whether with stars, or laws of supply and demand, or frogs, or Napoleon Bonaparte. One measures a circle, beginning anywhere." ~ Charles Hoy Fort, Lo! (pt. 1 ch. 1)
                JEKYLL & CANADA (free .mp4 download @ Vimeo.com)

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                • #9
                  Re: Magnolia

                  Fortean is a benign pyschopath. Pay no attention.
                  "Entertaining the world is a full time, up at dawn, never ending siege, the likes of which you will never fully understand."
                  Billy Thrilly 2005

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                  • #10
                    Re: Magnolia

                    Julianne Moore's character served no purpose. Remove her and you have the same movie, but without her. Thought that was kind of strange.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Magnolia

                      Brilliant. It takes a few viewings to take it all in, but it is a layered exceptional film. Minor quibble is the Worm storyline.
                      PTA is a god. Love everything he has done. Whether or not you like his films, he is a talented director. By far, my favorite.
                      And the frogs idea came from the bible, book of Exodus.
                      "If you refuse to let them go, I will plague your whole country with frogs"

                      Looking forward to "There Will Be Blood", based on Oil!, with Daniel Day-Lewis.

                      This isn't the Howard Johnson's.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Magnolia

                        Originally posted by Biohazard
                        Julianne Moore's character served no purpose. Remove her and you have the same movie, but without her. Thought that was kind of strange.
                        Not so. Her character reinforces the theme of redemption by trying to revoke the will her husband had made out for her.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Magnolia

                          Originally posted by Pencey
                          Her character reinforces the theme of redemption
                          As do other characters. So why do we need her? She's redundant.

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