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  • #16
    Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

    Originally posted by Gorilla King
    Can't do anything about the film itself, except not see it (which I won't), but man, Daktoa's parents agreed to let her do the rape scene because they thought it'd be an Oscar vehicle for her. How sick is that?
    Right on the money. Knowing Hollywood, she's already vying for the statuette.
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    • #17
      Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

      Originally posted by Kwvillen
      I agree, Jake, and was fortunate enough to live on the same rural street as the Board of Education and spent many after school visits, when I was a prepubescent [10], with an English Professor [60s] and wouldn't change it for the world - since he taught me to believe in myself after my parents divorce.

      KWV
      There's a screenplay in there somewhere as all the conflict is already present.

      I know exactly what angle I'd take if I were writing it.

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      • #18
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        One of the best documentaries I've ever seen on the teacher-student relationship is "Etre et Avoir", "To Be and to Have". We saw it a second time last night, and my wife (who's taught very young children for many years) and I were hugely impressed how a single male teacher in a mixed rural French classroom--mixed both in ages as well as sex--could connect in such a healthily intimate way with each of his pupils.

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        • #19
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          I think this is going to backfire on them. It will likely raise the profile of the movie to another level, but i don't think it will cross over into box office numbers. People will likely talk about it, express outrage or say it's a storm in a tea cup, but who out there actually wants to pay to SEE simulated child rape? It may be pushing sexual taboo boundries, but watching a 12 year old girl being raped in her knickers is sure as hell not going to drag people to the theatres in the way that Sharon Stone uncrossing her legs did. I bet they think it will, but it wont.
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          • #20
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            I whole heartily agree with writerman and J off course, it gets the audience to be even more numb. We see violence done to kids on TV and in movies to one extent or the other.

            Now, we got to face the kids and their sexualization? That's going to widen the door for some freaks out there. It's real life, sure, but seeing this, I wonder if we could have hold on the matter and hint at subtleties instead of going gung-ho about it.

            Artsy movie? Maybe so but I'm just going to step away from vulgarizing what is, imho, a border I don't want to get into.

            Of course, I have no idea how graphic the scene is. Someone?
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            • #21
              Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

              I trust that the people involved in (including Dakota) have their reasons. Perhaps the reason is to push boundaries, or maybe just chronicle something as truly as possible. Art imitates life, right?

              As for Dakota, she has always exuded a maturity far beyond her years Maybe that is just another bit of great acting on her part, maybe not. For a 16, 17, 18 year old this would not be nearly as big of a problem. Sadly, I've known some 14 year old kids that are more mature than some 40, 55, 72 year old folks, etc.

              I'd be surprised if she's being exploited.

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              • #22
                Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                Exploited may have been a harsh word. Tasteless nails it though.

                People beat puppies with baseball bats, set them on fire, piss on the ashes...I don't want to hear about it, and I certainly wouldn't pay to see it or have an ounce of respect for those who would use such a terrible event for profit. It's amateur.

                A good writer wouldn't have to have such a scene in their script and still could get the point acrossed.
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                • #23
                  Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                  Originally posted by writerman
                  Exploited may have been a harsh word. Tasteless nails it though.

                  People beat puppies with baseball bats, set them on fire, piss on the ashes...I don't want to hear about it, and I certainly wouldn't pay to see it or have an ounce of respect for those who would use such a terrible event for profit. It's amateur.

                  A good writer wouldn't have to have such a scene in their script and still could get the point acrossed.
                  I see your point, but the beauty of this stuff is... no one forces you to watch it. I have no idea how graphic this flick is, but I'm sure the ratings comission will have a say in what the audience sees (prior to dvd). I would be curious to see the script to this thing, though.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                    Originally posted by ihavebiglips
                    I see your point, but the beauty of this stuff is... no one forces you to watch it.
                    Couldn't have said it better.

                    Have the audience will be filled with pedophiles.


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                    • #25
                      Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                      Originally posted by ihavebiglips
                      I trust that the people involved in (including Dakota) have their reasons. Perhaps the reason is to push boundaries, or maybe just chronicle something as truly as possible. Art imitates life, right?

                      As for Dakota, she has always exuded a maturity far beyond her years Maybe that is just another bit of great acting on her part, maybe not. For a 16, 17, 18 year old this would not be nearly as big of a problem. Sadly, I've known some 14 year old kids that are more mature than some 40, 55, 72 year old folks, etc.

                      I'd be surprised if she's being exploited.
                      I would think she is well surrounded and had taken some time to consider this role with her entourage. Art does imitate life. As I said, it's not all bubbly and cute out there but I hope this scene has such an impact that the audience could see the reason for it to be in there.

                      Remember though, it is a rape we are talking about here. There's nothing tasteful about this. Subtlely done or not.

                      The fact that comes out of this is simply that we are, as writers, pushing the envelope a bit further everytime. It is our duty, with scenes like this, that we make it as a message and just not for shock factor.

                      The movie MIGHT do fine. I know just this much will (already obviously) make a lot of people talk and that's a double edge on its own.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                        Not to pulla a Deus here ,

                        But the terms mimesis and katharsis come to mind.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                          How about the term krapola?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                            You think that movies sound shocking, wait til you get a load of Alan Ball's new project (not yet titled).

                            Oh, boy is it going to upset some people.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                              Just reading this thread reminds me of a discussion I had a long time ago (on-line) with an individual who proclaimed that she was advocating the decriminalization of child pornography. She was saying that it was the taboos of society that made having sex with a child a bad thing, when, in fact, children are sexual beings and should be treated as such. It caused more harm to the child, she said, to be made to feel as if they've done something bad by having sex with an adult instead of celebrating it is a natural function of life.

                              I should add that this woman came to advocate for this as she had been raped as a child and the subsequent trauma from it was because society had decreed that what had happened to her was rape and not a naturally occurring act between adult and child.

                              When I was presented with this point of view, I considered very carefully what she said, and then told her that I couldn't accept her point of view and wasn't sure I could continue to hold discourse with her.

                              I was then branded as the ultimate evil - since, clearly, I had to be in favour of censorship. The verbal harangues I got from her and from others still leave me shaking to this day. (This, by the way, was a science fiction literature discussion board where a lot of the heid yins of sf editing and publishing hung out. It would be a frosty Friday in hell before any of my novels would ever be looked at by those there. Of course, it was ten years ago, but sf editors tend to have long lives, though, hopefully, short memories.)

                              As for the original topic of this thread, all I can say is, they are obviously going for the titillation factor rather than doing it for any storytelling value. The whole "less is more" is obviously not being considered. And if it's true that they're doing it simply for the Oscar nom, that's crass and tasteless beyond belief.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Sexualizing of children in movies ...

                                Prescribe......what's the premise of his new film?

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