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  • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

    Originally posted by Cycstorm View Post
    Well clearly Hill doesn't understand bi-polar disorder, as he seems to think anyone with it would be able to hold down a job as a security guard.
    Do you...do you actually KNOW anyone who is a security guard at a mall? Bi-polar might not only be an asset for the job, it might be a qualification.

    SPOILERS AHEAD

    All joking aside, there are PLENTY of bi-polar people who hold down "normal" jobs every day that 1) we don't even know are bi-polar because they're able to hide it well and 2) are on medication that's working...much like Ronnie's was at the beginning of the film. So I'm sort of surprised you decided to gloss over that.

    As far as the character arc that someone mentioned, I think Ronnie's character had a considerable arc - it just played out in his own mind, not in real life. You're right - by the end of the movie, Ronnie's gone pretty much nowhere as far as personal growth. But in his own mind he HAS become a hero - he got his perp, he got a girl, and he's back as the head of mall security, where he's "respected" as a "leader".

    Thematically, there's really no difference with this storyline than that of a classic like THE CABINET OF DR. CALIGARI. In that film, Francis tells the story of how Dr. Caligari and his giant sleepwalker kidnap his girlfriend and frame him for murder. In his head, the situation becomes resolved...but we see, in fact, that he's a patient in a mental institution at the end of the movie. The whole thing's been made up. There, it'd easy to say, "Oh, well there's no character arc - it was all a dream!" But no one says that because what ACTUALLY happened is of secondary importance to how Francis rationalizes his world.

    You can say the same exact thing about Ronnie in this movie. You could also say that about his mother, who has the Alcoholic's Breakthrough because of what's happened to her son: she's switching from liquor to beer. For her, that's the completion of an arc in THIS story. And why I think that worked is because these people really are out there. I know a few, and so do you. And it's because they're nimwits and because they're mall cops and because they have psychological issues that we sweep them under the rug and ignore them. And I think what they're trying to say here is...maybe it's in our best interest not to.

    Is this film flawed? Heavily. I didn't love it. But I really appreciated some of the things that it did.

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    • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

      Originally posted by goosetown View Post
      Do you...do you actually KNOW anyone who is a security guard at a mall? Bi-polar might not only be an asset for the job, it might be a qualification.

      SPOILERS AHEAD

      All joking aside, there are PLENTY of bi-polar people who hold down "normal" jobs every day that 1) we don't even know are bi-polar because they're able to hide it well and 2) are on medication that's working...much like Ronnie's was at the beginning of the film. So I'm sort of surprised you decided to gloss over that.

      As far as the character arc that someone mentioned, I think Ronnie's character had a considerable arc - it just played out in his own mind, not in real life. You're right - by the end of the movie, Ronnie's gone pretty much nowhere as far as personal growth. But in his own mind he HAS become a hero - he got his perp, he got a girl, and he's back as the head of mall security, where he's "respected" as a "leader".

      Thematically, there's really no difference with this storyline than that of a classic like THE CABINET OF DR. CALIGARI. In that film, Francis tells the story of how Dr. Caligari and his giant sleepwalker kidnap his girlfriend and frame him for murder. In his head, the situation becomes resolved...but we see, in fact, that he's a patient in a mental institution at the end of the movie. The whole thing's been made up. There, it'd easy to say, "Oh, well there's no character arc - it was all a dream!" But no one says that because what ACTUALLY happened is of secondary importance to how Francis rationalizes his world.

      You can say the same exact thing about Ronnie in this movie. You could also say that about his mother, who has the Alcoholic's Breakthrough because of what's happened to her son: she's switching from liquor to beer. For her, that's the completion of an arc in THIS story. And why I think that worked is because these people really are out there. I know a few, and so do you. And it's because they're nimwits and because they're mall cops and because they have psychological issues that we sweep them under the rug and ignore them. And I think what they're trying to say here is...maybe it's in our best interest not to.

      Is this film flawed? Heavily. I didn't love it. But I really appreciated some of the things that it did.
      I think this will go down in history as the most thoughtful review of 'Observe and Report' ever written.

      I'm going to wait for it on video, since I bought a ticket for a early screening and forgot about it

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      • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

        Originally posted by qualitycontrol View Post
        I was making a joke at sc's point of young white males comitting rape due to having seen it in a film. .

        Thanks for mischaracterizing every thing I said on the topic of DATE RAPE.

        After reading the comments which rationalize fvcking a woman crazy-stoned out of her mind -- I'm even more concerned.

        No wonder date rape is under-reported.

        Hey - she's stoned, but if she moans or babbles -- it's okay! She's conscious! It's consenual! Keep on fvcking her. No problemo.

        I repeat:

        In a court of law, a woman is deemed incapable of giving consent to sex if she's crazy-stoned on drugs. It's called diminished capacity. The SEX IS NOT CONSENSUAL.
        Advice from writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. "Try this: if you can replace your female character with a sexy lamp and the story still basically works, maybe you need another draft.-

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        • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

          We are still talking about a crappy movie, right?

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          • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

            Originally posted by sc111 View Post
            Thanks for mischaracterizing every thing I said on the topic of DATE RAPE.

            After reading the comments which rationalize fvcking a woman crazy-stoned out of her mind -- I'm even more concerned.

            No wonder date rape is under-reported.
            Yep, I'm a rapist.

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            • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

              I'm willing to bet 50% of the writers on Earth are bipolar

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              • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

                51%
                "I ask every producer I meet if they need TV specs they say yeah. They all want a 40 inch display that's 1080p and 120Hz. So, I quit my job at the West Hollywood Best Buy."
                - Screenwriting Friend

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                • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

                  Originally posted by roscoegino View Post
                  51%
                  87% of all statistics are just made up.

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                  • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

                    i move that this infernal thread be IMMEDIATELY DELETED before any impressionable young men are driven to comply with their most primal of urges...

                    if the moderators act with a swiftness we may yet avoid the streets running wild with hordes of rapist screenwriters...

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                    • Re: Seth Rogen, Observe and Report: 4O MILLION THIS WEEKEND

                      Too late.

                      I'm gonna need bail money. Someone call my mom.

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