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  • Max Otto Schrenck
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    Compared to the 5-star achievement of TRAINING DAY, END OF WATCH had a lot of serious problems. I was never really convinced by the found footage aspect. The characters weren't strong enough to carry my interest through an entire movie. The antags were laughable.

    *SPOILERZ*

    The set-up and second act were full of the "typical" jive. Typical cop talk. Typical husband-and-wife talk. Typical typical. Yet you could feel the strings drawing these guys to their doom, which gave the typical stuff added depth, but also left you feeling like something, some twist, some revelation, was lurking in the wings, and never arrived. When only one of the cops was killed -- and at that the unexpected one -- it was too little too late.

    The movie was worth seeing. I gave it four stars. Some excellent acting, etc. But the gulf between a five-star unforgettable movie like TRAINING DAY, and END OF WATCH, is as big as that between a wretched vanity production like AFTER EARTH, and END OF WATCH itself.
    Last edited by Max Otto Schrenck; 06-06-2013, 04:10 PM.

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  • YakMan
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    Well, for the "tank movie," he could find a lot of inspiration here. . . .

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1018069-sahara/

    . . . . and here . . .

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lebanon-2010/

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  • docgonzo
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    He basically tried making SOUTHLAND: THE MOVIE. Everything he did in END OF WATCH was done 100x better on the show, minus the found footage. That said, I did enjoy the movie and was entertained most of the time.

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  • Deion22
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    Originally posted by Geoff Alexander View Post
    Finally caught this. Couple of thoughts on it:

    1. WTF with the POV/found footage. It didn't work. In fact, it pretty much sucked. The only decent piece of it was the dash cam stuff, the rest of it, in particular the first person shooter and reverse of that stuff was so ****ing lame. It felt like they started shooting the movie without a real production plan on how to execute that element and just stuck with it anyway.

    2. David Ayer got a "do over" for Harsh Times, because he wrote Training Day, and all three of these movies were 80% the same. I find it amazing that the guy has done three movies with so many shared elements. I am VERY curious to see what he does with the tank movie, he's going to have to prove that he's a director to be reckoned with on this one.

    3. What an amazing contradiction of highly watchable and completely stock moments and ideas. The plot line was incredibly thin, next to non-existent. I get that it was intended to be more a character study than a narrative, but this one was neither fish nor fowl, and IMO they tried to cover their bases in terms of commerciality at the expense of doing something that could have been more experimental and more interesting.

    4. Great, great, character moments. When he's good, he's freaking great.

    5. I LOVE what he does with L.A. as a character. This dude makes full use of the world of L.A. in such a believable way, the look, the feel the sounds. I grew up in L.A., I don't know if anyone else out there gets it as right as he does.

    6. Possibly the most hysterical exchange of dialog in history. "Why do they call you Big Evil?" "It's because my evil...is so big." I don't even know what to say about this one. Reminds of a time when I was waiting tables and a couple of gang bangers came in. One ordered a hamburger, I asked him how he wanted it cooked, and he responded "However the **** you cook it." Medium.
    I agree with all these points. Ayer needs to show us something outside of LA. I'm very interested in the Tank movie. It's gonna cost 100 million or more, I want to see what he can do outside his comfort zone of LA.

    Ayer is great at finding those endearing character moments. I will say that.

    And Training Day is by far the superior movie. No one should be comparing this to Training Day.

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  • Geoff Alexander
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    Finally caught this. Couple of thoughts on it:

    1. WTF with the POV/found footage. It didn't work. In fact, it pretty much sucked. The only decent piece of it was the dash cam stuff, the rest of it, in particular the first person shooter and reverse of that stuff was so ****ing lame. It felt like they started shooting the movie without a real production plan on how to execute that element and just stuck with it anyway.

    2. David Ayer got a "do over" for Harsh Times, because he wrote Training Day, and all three of these movies were 80% the same. I find it amazing that the guy has done three movies with so many shared elements. I am VERY curious to see what he does with the tank movie, he's going to have to prove that he's a director to be reckoned with on this one.

    3. What an amazing contradiction of highly watchable and completely stock moments and ideas. The plot line was incredibly thin, next to non-existent. I get that it was intended to be more a character study than a narrative, but this one was neither fish nor fowl, and IMO they tried to cover their bases in terms of commerciality at the expense of doing something that could have been more experimental and more interesting.

    4. Great, great, character moments. When he's good, he's freaking great.

    5. I LOVE what he does with L.A. as a character. This dude makes full use of the world of L.A. in such a believable way, the look, the feel the sounds. I grew up in L.A., I don't know if anyone else out there gets it as right as he does.

    6. Possibly the most hysterical exchange of dialog in history. "Why do they call you Big Evil?" "It's because my evil...is so big." I don't even know what to say about this one. Reminds of a time when I was waiting tables and a couple of gang bangers came in. One ordered a hamburger, I asked him how he wanted it cooked, and he responded "However the **** you cook it." Medium.

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  • MacG
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    Originally posted by joe9alt View Post
    Finally caught this on DVD and was excited to watch as a big Ayer fan.

    I thought it was pretty bad honestly.

    They hit the same beats over (yeah, they're friends and they're regular guys just like me and you - we get it) and over and over and over again and the villains came off as cartoonish.

    It took a series of contrivances to finally link up the villains and the heroes and did they really put a random "heroes save the kids from the fire" scene in there?

    Plus, there was no real plot.

    And the video camera thing was completely unnecessary and only partially deployed, anyways. I wonder if that was an offshoot of the found footage craze. I can picture an exec saying "it would be totally cool if these guys took their own movies -- like in CLOVERFIELD!" It was distracting.

    It's fine to do the gritty thing but you still need some semblance of a story. To compare this to TRAINING DAY is borderline insane.
    +1

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  • crs24
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    As a poster mentioned above, the villains really did come off as cartoonish. And there were definitely some contrivances and plotholes. Like the cartel boss (a) thinking that ordering the murder of two cops would solve his problems, and (b) ordering the hit via cellphone from his ranch in Mexico directly to a street-level gangster.

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  • joe9alt
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    Cloverfield was basically consistent though in telling the story from that "specific perspective."

    End of Watch was not.

    They would use that perspective some of the time. In my opinon even when they used it, it felt a little unbelievable - I mean was he just randomly filming stuff? Why was he filming? Was that ever explained? Maybe I missed it.

    And then mixing in video recordings from different aspects of their lives - the girlfriend filming herself, the wedding video, whatever else that was thrown in there...

    And then sometimes using a traditional (if a bit shaky) filmmaking approach made it visually (like the story) kind of a jumbled mess.

    Jeez, I just can't let this go, can I?

    I guess it's because I'm such a big fan and had such high (maybe unrealistic?) hopes for this.

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  • finalact4
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    Originally posted by Terrance Mulloy View Post
    I dunno, I really liked it. It's far from perfect, and it was a bit abstract and the pacing/tone felt weird at times, but I thought it was quite powerful - especially towards the end. Definitely not your average movie.

    Ayer certainty has a few oddities when writing/directing his own material. That's also what I like about him.

    I'd love to see him branch out from the LA-centric stuff he's noted for. He wrote a great sci-fi action spec called LAST MAN, which I think is going nowhere at the moment unfortunately.
    Loved this film.

    And I disagree about the POV hand held, Cloverfield "found footage" style. It's a specific perspective-- a witness of sorts. It's out of the box and maybe that's it's appeal to me. That's a big reason I loved Cloverfield-- that and the Darma Coalition references.

    Anyway--

    Loved the ending even though I knew what would happen, because it's what I'd do.

    Looks like he is, indeed branching out, or back as it were; to 1945 with is spec Fury?

    The idea that we experience most of the movie through one of the character's POV was compelling to me.

    The ending seemed so hopeless and bleak-- like life can be.

    Shocking.

    But real.

    FA4

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  • Terrance Mulloy
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    I dunno, I really liked it. It's far from perfect, and it was a bit abstract and the pacing/tone felt weird at times, but I thought it was quite powerful - especially towards the end. Definitely not your average movie.

    Ayer certainty has a few oddities when writing/directing his own material. That's also what I like about him.

    I'd love to see him branch out from the LA-centric stuff he's noted for. He wrote a great sci-fi action spec called LAST MAN, which I think is going nowhere at the moment unfortunately.

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  • ATB
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    Totally agree, 9alt. The ending was pretty bad, as well. Just didn't do it for me.

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  • Geoff Alexander
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    Haven't seen it, Harsh Times, though, that was a bad movie.

    Interesting though, that he sells this big tank spec after making a POV/footage movie. Certainly seems to have paved the way.

    Originally posted by joe9alt View Post
    Finally caught this on DVD and was excited to watch as a big Ayer fan.

    I thought it was pretty bad honestly.

    They hit the same beats over (yeah, they're friends and they're regular guys just like me and you - we get it) and over and over and over again and the villains came off as cartoonish.

    It took a series of contrivances to finally link up the villains and the heroes and did they really put a random "heroes save the kids from the fire" scene in there?

    Plus, there was no real plot.

    And the video camera thing was completely unnecessary and only partially deployed, anyways. I wonder if that was an offshoot of the found footage craze. I can picture an exec saying "it would be totally cool if these guys took their own movies -- like in CLOVERFIELD!" It was distracting.

    It's fine to do the gritty thing but you still need some semblance of a story. To compare this to TRAINING DAY is borderline insane.

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  • joe9alt
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    Re: End of Watch

    Finally caught this on DVD and was excited to watch as a big Ayer fan.

    I thought it was pretty bad honestly.

    They hit the same beats over (yeah, they're friends and they're regular guys just like me and you - we get it) and over and over and over again and the villains came off as cartoonish.

    It took a series of contrivances to finally link up the villains and the heroes and did they really put a random "heroes save the kids from the fire" scene in there?

    Plus, there was no real plot.

    And the video camera thing was completely unnecessary and only partially deployed, anyways. I wonder if that was an offshoot of the found footage craze. I can picture an exec saying "it would be totally cool if these guys took their own movies -- like in CLOVERFIELD!" It was distracting.

    It's fine to do the gritty thing but you still need some semblance of a story. To compare this to TRAINING DAY is borderline insane.

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  • finalact4
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    Re: End of Watch - Yeah, it's better than Training Day

    Originally posted by explainwht View Post
    Totally, it was sooo funny. I never expected that. The dialogue was so natural (still in awe). I'm dying to read the script if anyone has it.

    -just askin'.
    Ditto the ask.
    FA4

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  • explainwht
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    Re: End of Watch - Yeah, it's better than Training Day

    Originally posted by finalact4 View Post
    Wow, this was a great surprise. i don't remember hearing anything about this movie, but I can't believe no one's talking about how hilarious it was. There were five times-- at least -- when the entire audience broke out laughing.

    Probably my favorite film this year.

    If you're an action junkie, love intense situations, and can handle violence and swearing-- you are gonna love this film. And it's funny, which is an important counter balance to the intense scenes.

    ****************Spoilers **********************************
    I have to agree with an earlier poster, the cartel party scene was, so intense, I was like WTF... it was like watching actual footage or something-- very intense. Scary even.

    They covered a lot of ground on story in an economical way. The entire film is like being on a ride-along.

    The filmmakers and actors did a really good job of getting you to identify with the main characters. I loved the whole "white boy-Hispanic" banter, especially when Jake said, "Want me to translate that into His-- spanish" and Mike says, "yeah, translate it into Hispanic." Got a huge laugh from the audience.

    They did a good job showing some really horrific situations-- I mean unthinkable stuff (children duct taped in a closest, mutilated human parts, human trafficking)-- and they countered it so well with scenes where they showed the characters coping with the tragedies through humor. These are stellar actors-- without a word they showed us the pain and emotional toll taken.

    And the filming style suits the tone and context well.

    And, it is better than Training Day.

    I think the difference is that End of Watch is really a hero's story--

    Good cops doing good things.


    Nice to see.

    FA4
    Totally, it was sooo funny. I never expected that. The dialogue was so natural (still in awe). I'm dying to read the script if anyone has it.

    -just askin'.

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