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    Southern_land
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    I liked parts of it, sure didn't love it.

    i think it was needlessly tangled with the different threads. The characters were the ultimate cardboard cut outs, surely in a (minor) epic battle with terrible lows and soaring highs we deserved character's we could empathise with?

    and worst of all Tom Hardy flew the most glidingest Spitfire ever, even shooting down a Stuka on his sixth or seventh unpowered swoop past!!!

    EDIT: I took my 11 year old step son to see it, his comment at the end was they should make a Dunkirk 2... with Japanese and samurai swords somehow that summed it up for me
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    Last edited by Southern_land; 08-15-2017, 03:58 PM.

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  • Darthclaw13
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    Here is a pretty interesting video on the music in Dunkirk using a sound illusion called the shepard tone. It's a short video, only about 3 mins long, but very informative.

    (I love Hans Zimmer's music in almost every film he has scored.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVWTQcZbLgY

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  • SBdeb
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    I liked it, didn't love it, though I admire a lot about the film and what Nolan was trying to accomplish.

    This was a fantastic analysis whether or not you enjoyed the film.

    http://www.writeyourscreenplay.com/d...-private-ryan/

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  • hscope
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    Superb film. I loved the understatement and quiet heroism. Just a bunch of men trying to survive the best they could in the most harrowing of circumstances. Certainly one of the best war movies I've ever seen.

    I also have a personal interest, as my grandad was one of those soldiers on the beach and he took a bullet in the back as he waded out to a boat. He survived, but never talked about his experience.

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  • TheConnorNoden
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    It will be a shame watching this down the line on the small screen because it really is catered to the cinema experience in the best possible way. It's a thrilling film that doesn't let up. Nolan made a few brave choices that paid off for me personally. He wrote this one alone and after seeing the film you know it must have meant a lot to him.

    If you need a backstory to these guys to be able to emotionally invest I have to question your humanity. In 99% of films that backstory might be vital but in war that changes, and in particular the second world war. They're trapped on a beach while they're surrounded by Nazis with little hope of survival. Their stories are the same as most of the men who fought in the war in that they were just nameless young men fighting for their lives to keep their families safe and often dying for that. You shouldn't need a story to empathise with that and want them to survive.

    For me it was nice to see a time where British patriotism was something to be proud of. It feels like the world has forgotten what we fought for sometimes. Dunkirk was a welcome reminder.

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  • TheConnorNoden
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    Originally posted by entlassen View Post
    Dunkirk looks like more of the same. No story or character, just a puzzle that needs solving: how do we get from point A to point B with these obstacles in the way?
    You seem to have a lot of opinions about films that you have never seen.

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  • entlassen
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    I think Nolan is mildly interesting, but his films are all puzzles instead of stories. Even his human characters are not people, but puzzles the audience is meant to "figure out."

    Dunkirk looks like more of the same. No story or character, just a puzzle that needs solving: how do we get from point A to point B with these obstacles in the way?

    WW2 is pretty played out, too, although Hacksaw Ridge was good.

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  • DangoForth
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    Gripping film. Very minor spoilers below.
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    One thing about Nolan is that he makes his viewers bring their A-game. He doesn't make the obvious choices and you really have to be giving it your full attention.
    I was puzzled about the time shifting at first, but then realized each pass brought a different element of investment to that particular scene/incident through each additional character POV.
    The scene with the soldier drowning himself off the beach. Most directors would have kept the camera on the waves and given a six second slow steady shot where he doesn't come back up. Instead, Nolan cuts to the faces of the soldiers looking on and stays with them. No horror at what they're seeing, just numb understanding. And although the audience doesn't witness him going and staying under, you fully know what just took place.
    It's no wonder you know it's a Nolan film when you see one.

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  • roscoegino
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    LIFEBOAT meets SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. And that ain't a bad blend at all.

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  • WriteByNight
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    Caught it with a friend. One of those films that grow on you as it goes by.

    The lack of character development criticism I keep hearing about didn't bother me because, in a way, by the end, I did care for them. Usually those things happen in the first thirty minutes. This film just happened to get me invested in the characters much later -- but eventually I was invested.

    Visuals and sound and tension just what you'd expect in a Nolan film.

    And Styles surprised me.

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  • Mark Somers
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    One of the first stories I wanted to script was based on the book "Red Orchestra ". It was about Soviet agents working right under the Nazis noses in Germany during ww2. It has a tragic ending for the heroes like in "Valkyrie" in that they were executed or imprisoned but not by the Nazis but by Stalin after the war. Stalin was one paranoid fuck. He didn't trust anyone he even killed his own family members.


    The movie came out in 2003.


    I've only read about Dunkirk years ago.


    Maybe I should get going on my Wright brothers story.

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  • DangoForth
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    Originally posted by EvilRbt View Post
    This is a painful one for me. I wrote a Dunkirk script 15 years ago.
    I did an adaptation of a NY Times best-selling author's Wright Brothers book... then Tom Hanks announced HE was going to do a Wright Brothers miniseries off a different author.

    "Dammit, when's he gonna let that Wright Brothers thing go???"

    "Probably never. He'll be banging that drum still when the Mark Somers 'Wright Brothers - Alien Hunters' hits the screen."

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  • Darthclaw13
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    Saw Dunkirk yesterday. I saw it in 70mm which I highly recommend if you have a theater near you that offers it definitely watch it in that format. It took me back in time to hear the "clickety-clack" of the projector up in the booth.

    Beautifully shot!! I had forgotten how much better the colors looked on film rather than digital. I know that sounds backwards, but even the trailers at the beginning were richer in color than the usual digital companions.

    I did love the aspect of the three timelines converging at the end to bring the viewer into the present. (spoilers) The land timeline is a week, the boat timeline is a day, and the plane timeline is an hour. To see them all merge at the end was very well written.

    The music!! What can I say, Hans Zimmer really came thru with his score. The metronomic heartbeat rhythm of the score was almost too much to take building up tension in an organic way. He also used the soundtrack to amplify the changing of each timeline sort of like a push/pull device.

    The story...it was almost more of a docurmentary feel to it with no investment in any of the characters. I couldn't even tell you anyone's name while I was watching it. (course it didn't help that most of the actors mumbled their lines). I did find the small amount of dialog refreshing. Almost like a non-talkie. It really added to the tension and power of showing the story instead of telling it. But there was this disconnection from the characters that I didn't care much for. I prefer to care about what happens to the characters. Not to say my emotions weren't manipulated while watching, but I think that had more to do with the music than the story. Personally, I thought War for the planet of the apes had a more gripping story. I saw apes twice now and still get teary eyed.

    But I will say that when watching Dunkirk my brain knew that most of what was happening on the screen really happened, and not cgi which was awesome. When I read about what Nolan did for real was amazing. They even crashed a plane and had to fish the footage out from where it sank.

    Dunkirk to me is a $300mil experimental student film. Not in the way that most student films look cheap, but in the way that the off story structure is experimental because no one else has done it that way before. Plus the lack of dialog (which reminded me of Kubrick style).

    All in all I did enjoy it very much and I would love to be able to read the screenplay. I recommend watching it, and then go to see apes.

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  • JoeBanks
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    Originally posted by EvilRbt View Post
    It will be a bittersweet experience. I read four books on the subject, watched a few docs, and the UK feature from the 50s. I'm a Brit who grew up spoon-fed WWII and I even used to drive jeeps, tanks, trucks, etc. because my father was in the collector world. So it was very much a passion project. The "little boats" aspect of Dunkirk is a remarkable chapter in history and few people seemed to know the story.
    i will say that, for me, the good news/bad news aspect of Nolan's take is that he spends virtually no time on backstory or the usual war movie conventions of exposition and getting to know the "gang" of representative soldiers in a unit. it's all just throwing the viewer right into the middle of the action with very little context. which, on one level, i was happy to be freed from a lot of that baggage. but it does make it hard, dramatically, to identify with the characters beyond the tick tock of a given moment

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  • Jake Schuster
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    Just saw it in IMAX, which I very much recommend. This is a big film in every way, and a very noisy one, but then, again, so is war. Beautifully done and built on the most economical script I could imagine.

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